Saturday, June 11, 2011

Walter Veith on SDA Church Apostasy

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LVB said...

Hi Arsenio,

I found this interview to be very worthwhile and interesting. This guy has his facts straight, as well as having a lighthearted and comical approach, which is always nice to see.

I found the part about private versus public counseling to be especially important and truthful.

Along those lines, I'd like to ask your opinion on something - would you please read this article and my response to it, and give me your thoughts?

Thank you.

Arsenio A. Lembert Jr. said...


I went to you the link to read it, and this is what I found there:

Nothing found

Sorry, but it seems as if the content you are looking for has been moved or deleted. Please try the sitesearch, look up the archives or go to the homepage.

LVB said...

I will have to break this into two parts for you, because I've written too much to fit into blogger's silly 4096 max character limit. I am not intentionally long-winded, but once my thoughts begin flowing, especially on spiritual subjects, I often tend to get a bit verbose, so you have my apologies for that. :)

So, yes, this was a rather interesting situation, and I can only guess that perhaps VC may have had some issues himself with the ideas presented in that article - because it was posted for about a day, and then was deleted shortly after I commented about them. I don't know that had anything to do with it, I just simply said what I wanted to say and asked a few questions.

It was written by a person with the name Yomael, who often has some very interesting things to say about the topics discussed there - the ruling elite, etc.

But it also had many ideas that had a decidedly "New Age" flavor.

I'll try to recreate what I said in my response there, but basically I was just taking issue with the point of view in the article that Jesus was merely "one of many enlightened teachers" - which we have heard a lot in recent decades from those in the new age crowd - with no distinction made of Jesus Christ being THE One and Only Son of God, and our infinitely loving and powerful Creator, Lord and Savior.

I didn't mean to be too hard on the person (because they did also make several good points) and they are certainly free to believe whatever they choose - but I could not see those ideas presented in an article like this (as opposed to, say, just in the comment section) on a large forum like VC's and not address it in a public way, to at least ask for some clarification.

(continued in part 2 lol)

Arsenio A. Lembert Jr. said...


If you look in a site specializing in the ARCANE; You will be in the domain of GNOSTICS and their ilk.

***arcane - definition of arcane by the Free Online Dictionary ...
Known or understood by only a few: arcane economic theories. See Synonyms at mysterious. [Latin arc nus, secret, from arca, chest.] arcane [ɑːˈkeɪn] ...

LVB said...

The new age stuff is especially troublesome to me, as I know it is to many Christians, being that it clearly attempts to persuade and deceive people using "a form of godliness, but denying the true power thereof"; i.e., the whole deception that Jesus was just some
a really nice guy and "enlightened teacher", but just one of many - presumably such as Buddha, Muhammed, etc.

This is what I strongly believe will be the essence of the false final religion of the Antichrist, being that it is a subtle and alluring counterfeit that is designed to deceive "even the elect" believers in Christ, if we are not sober and vigilant in our discernment of what is and what is not in line with the Word of God.

And again, this is clearly something that each person has complete freewill to decide for themselves, but I believe that writers dealing with spiritual matters should make every effort to be very clear about what they are saying, and not cloak their intentions by avoiding THE most major difference between true Christianity and, well - everything else.

Jesus was bold and triumphant, and said what He meant, and meant what He said....every word of it.

You either believe it or you don't - and you cannot pick and choose the parts that fit your "personal philosophy" as such, and just toss out (or simply avoid) what is probably the most important single message and the entire essence of the New Testament - the quickest path to the "bottom line" truth being good old John 3:16 -

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Pretty straightforward. It really is that simple distinction which says it all - not, "God sent us a bunch of really enlightened teachers down through the ages to show us the way to eternal salvation" - not merely a teacher at all, in fact - but His one and ONLY begotten Son, who taught us by His example in living His very own life in the flesh as a humble, devoted and loving servant of God - perfect and without sin.

Either He was (and is) the one and only Son of God, or He was not. I believe that He absolutely was and IS our Lord and Savior, and I try to say that very clearly in all of my articles, songs and writing efforts. No confusion or mixed messages.

I feel like that is the only way to be true to my faith in God, by being truthful and forthright with my family, friends and readers - by telling them very clearly where I stand, and leaving no doubt or room for misinterpretation or confusion.

Whether or not they agree or disagree with me or my views is not my concern, but at least there can be no question or doubt about where I am coming from, and who I serve and trust with all my heart.

I'm certain that I'm "preaching to the choir" here with you, but because I've come to greatly respect and appreciate your own writings, I wanted to discuss it with you.

And although it seems to have become a moot point now, I think there are always important lessons to be learned from situations like these. They teach us and reinforce our faith, and remind us why our devotion to God and His Word are so important in our everyday lives.

If you would share your thoughts with me I'd really appreciate it very much.

Take care and I'll talk to you soon, my brother. :)

LVB said...

Yes, well it is VC's alternate site with more historical and other background info on Freemasonry and such, not endorsing those things, but rather exposing them for their occult nature and how they are at work in our world to serve Satan, more or less.