Tuesday, December 23, 2008

The Creation Of The Jesuits During The Reformation


Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time, the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from every earthly tie and human interest, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy.

When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were concealed. It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination, were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of State, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants, to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind, and dazzle and captivate the imagination; and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery.



The Great Controversy, (1888), Ellen G. White, pp. 234-235.

The voice of one crying in the wilderness


1Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,

2Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

4As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

5Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;

6And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

7Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

9And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

10And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?

11He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

12Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?

13And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.

14And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

15And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;

16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

17Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

18And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people.

19But Herod the tetrarch, being reproved by him for Herodias his brother Philip's wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done,

20Added yet this above all, that he shut up John in prison.


Luke 3: 1-20.

Monday, December 22, 2008

THE CATHOLIC CONNECTION!


THE CATHOLIC CONNECTION! WHAT DOES A NEW WORLD ORDER HAVE TO DO WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? What do Nazis and Communists Have to do With the Catholic Church?

Part 1...


"CATHOLIC" MEANS UNIVERSAL. WHICH MEANS GLOBAL; WHICH MEANS ONE WORLD!

WASN'T THERE A TIME WHEN "WE ALL USED TO BE TOGETHER?" WHAT INTERRUPTED THIS?!! WE NEED TO "GET BACK TOGETHER!!"

WHAT? THEY'RE SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO "GET BACK TOGETHER?" WHAT THEN HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO JOIN IN WITH THIS? CAN'T LIVE IN THIS "WORLD?" FREE SPACE SHOT TO ANOTHER PLANET? OR CAN HISTORY GIVE US SOME CLUES?

WE WERE ALL TOGETHER AT A TIME WHEN THERE WAS NO SUCH A THING AS FREE SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION OR EVEN THE FREEDOM TO RESEARCH. THEN SOMETHING "TERRIBLE" CAME ALONG AND BROKE UP EVERYTHING, CREATING A GREAT BIG SPLIT!

THE QUESTION NOW IS, HOW DO WE UNDO THIS AND BRING BACK "PEACE" AND "FREEDOM!"



BUT WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD?

Take a look now at the following concept as to whether or not the Lord approves of Christians going everywhere with the tireless Vatican demand that all the Christian Churches must unite. We are working to show you, as we update this page, that these who are pushing this know a horrible crisis is coming. When we even alert the people about this crisis, those same people struggling to make the churches unite, attack us. They are determined that the world fall into this crisis completely unawares!!

It is in this way we become confused. They tell us they want all the churches to unite, because they have a special love for the human family and for God's church. But we're seeing differences between them. The leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church tell us they're making changes SO THAT THEY CAN GET MORE MEMBERS. All their planning is geared toward watering down the special messages given by God to the Adventist Church so that she can unite with the global Christian community. The Worldwide Church of God on the other hand, pushing the same voracious agenda, actually did the same thing in forcing in illicit changes but claiming that it caused a great deal FEWER members to remain in her communion, BUT THAT SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT. She maintains that "the Church" is far more blessed with most of the members GONE! How could such birds of a feather have such seeming great differences?

Just take the flashback and see more differences! Remember the "baby man" named "Doug" who saw bold threats of death against all non-Catholics on the newsgroups, but entered to attack those who didn't like it, maintaining that everyone should be concerned about the terror of Abortionists instead? Have you checked the dialogues on this website showing people who are fundamentally ecumenical making sure they attack only those who didn't like those bold death threats? Remember we asked you whether or not you would like to take those bold death threats against all non-Catholics to ecumenical rallies?

So here we have people who want all the churches to come together and are therefore ecumenical showing two different faces. The question is, which of these faces is the true face of ecumenism. Do people who are ecumenical want the best for the human family? Do they want humanity to be saved and well? Do they want at least most of humanity to be saved? or just a minority.

You already know that we established a litmus test, or a means to prove conclusively that a person is a Jesuit. That litmus test is on the page that exposes the truth about the Patriot Act. There are people all among us who will refuse to condemn the worst examples of hate, torture and genocide on any public medium. Although all ecumenicals are not like this, there is not a single person who supports these brutal examples who is not ecumenical. Many are having it hard to believe that many Adventist ministers and church officials are included in what we're showing here. But that is the fact!



The Seventh-day Adventist Church has been predicting that there will be a major global crisis of the ages upon the whole world at the end of time. They have been prophesying this for well over 100 years. For a long time we have been warning and predicting about the same thing actually over the span of many years on the internet. Each day of our warning the people on the internet was met with strange and persistent opposition. People met us telling us that we must not tell the people about things like that. They told us we must only tell them about Christ and give them the "pure, pure" and simple gospel. We went into scripture in order to show the readers that scripture commands we know these things AND WARN OUR BROTHERS ABOUT THEM. The opposition persisted to this very day. But now, in recent years, a number of them have been changing their tune, intimating that some strange crisis is about to hit the world, and that the result of this will be their dreams fulfilled that all the churches and all the governments will unite under one.

We have three examples to show you of this, and yet each example demonstrates that the people involved are Jesuits, or soldiers of the Pope who infiltrate, pretend to be what they actually are not, who engage in treason openly and secretly against the American government and especially its Constitution and the churches, and who are unscrupulous and deadly. The first example claimed to be a former Adventist. The second admits and claims to be Roman Catholic. The third claims to be an ecumenical Protestant. In each case, these people either intimate or boldly state that all the churches are going to come together, but they don't tell us that it will be because each church voluntarily wants to come together freely. Each at least alludes to the idea that a major crisis is coming, and that this crisis will make it an imperative that all the churches of the world must unite together. There is an element of force present that will then make people willing to join together under Rome. Only one of the examples states boldly that the uniting is with AND UNDER Rome. The others work to hide that fact. All of them quote scripture and state that the church is one, and must not be divided, as if every church will have equal say, power and billing.

The first example we're about to show you is with the propagandists we met on the internet who professed to be "former Adventists." They maintained that they were once Adventists, but discovered that the Adventist Church believed many errors, including supporting a woman by the name of Ellen G. White on the claims that she was a prophet of God. They then often moved out to "tweak" or change the Adventist Church. Because of that, they reported that the Church "hated" them and then kicked them out. They most always maintained that they were the victims of "hate."


http://www.chick.com/reading/books/199/0199_03.asp

ECUMENISM...

The uniting of the Christian Churches, was ALWAYS resisted by the Protestant world!
Lord Macaulay, says on page 548 of his 1852 Essays On Ranke's History Of The Popes:

"But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to ask the following question, 'Has not Rome changed recently?'

To answer this most vital question, I turn once again to the message of D. Martyn Lloyd Jones: 'Ah, but,' you say, 'has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th century - don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?

My answer is quite simple [The same answer that has been given by the Protestants since liberty was first won]. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the past - but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim! She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church of Rome remains the same.

If anything, she is even worse. She has 'added' things to what she taught in the 16th century, such as Papal infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome. And if there ever is one great world Church, it will be because the Church of Rome has absorbed all the rest and swallowed them in ignorance!'


They thence set up websites and forums to attack the Seventh-day Adventist Church where they commenced attack upon her virtually with every post. At the same time they constantly stressed the need for "balance," "diversity," and "tolerance" in all discussions. Every time we asked them questions about their beliefs that challenged their lies, more often than not, their constant urging us to understand that people can disagree with us, was used as their defense completely around our unanswered questions. At the same time other posters constantly posted that the Adventist Church MUST change and those who posted this were not inundated with admonitions about the necessity of disagreement.

One such poster who did this was "Jodi Theissen" who showed up on the Atomorrow forums. We consider her to be the alter-ego of the infamous Pat Darnell, who claimed to be a former Adventist and has since devoted her life to attacking the Adventist Church even with the publication of a book, constantly determining that it must surrender its peculiar beliefs (truths) and join with all the rest of the churches. Historically anyone in a free America would at once know and understand that a person making any such claim is a militant Catholic. All of them were taking advantage of the ignorance of the present time.

More pointedly these on the internet were telling us that Christians uniting "AS ONE" was a beautiful proposition. But they told us this could not happen if the Seventh-day Adventist Church maintained its peculiar beliefs, OR ITS CLAIM TO BE THE TRUE CHURCH. It was sad that we were the only ones to ask these people whether or not Rome must also give up its globally and publicly declared claim that it is "the one and only true church." We asked them about this, and they pretended we didn't ask the question. But indeed, Rome was the only exception.

They were telling Adventists that they must give up their peculiar "belief system," because "two [or any more than two] cannot walk together except they be agreed," (Amos 3:3). They would lament and present the idea of how great it would be if all the churches were united together, "AS ONE."

We were debating about the idea of tolerance and what it means. In this particular dialogue, Jodi (claiming to be a former Adventist) was defending the idea that the Adventist Church "MUST" give up its beliefs and join with all the others. When we pointed out her intolerant nature, other posters entered to attack us on the claim that Jodi was a very tolerant person, but that the Adventist Church was not since it readily disfellowshipped anyone who viewed doctrine and religion differently.

Just the fact that she and all the rest of the so-called "former Adventists" were pinpointing the CONTROL CENTER of the Adventist Church and not just ideas or individuals, shows that it cannot be true. Some of them were even writing open letters to the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church demanding that she change her way of doing things regardless of the members below who might not approve of such changes. They are coming to us with what they claim are facts, logic, etc.
Jodi, Pat Darnell and all the rest (virtually all claiming to be former Adventists) constantly complained that the Adventist Church was too rigid in her views. We pointed out that obviously Jodi and the rest of the "former Adventists" didn't have ideas that were easily changeable either. But we pointed out a major difference. The Conference (or control center of the Seventh-day Adventist Church) upholds Adventist doctrine and will not depart from it (supposedly). Jodi also upholds her doctrine and obviously will not depart from it. Here now is the clincher:
Although Jodi is not Adventist, she has come from her sphere of influence and territory over to the Adventist Church at least on the internet and, like the rest of the strange "former Adventists," demands that the control center surrender her beliefs and accept Jodi's regardless of the effect it would have on all members underneath. HERE is where we have a terrible problem and is the secret behind the classification "JESUIT." That classification has not come just because people disagree with Ted McMillan as so falsely claimed by the strange posters. The Adventist Church does not go, even on the internet, to Catholic posters telling them they have to accept Adventist beliefs or change in any manner. Jodi comes from her sphere to the environment of Adventists constantly telling them they have to adopt her imaginations.
A good and enlightening expose of the issues can be found here:

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Authority.html

We pointed out that it was Jodi who was intolerant due to the fact that she cannot maintain her Catholic beliefs and enjoy them to herself where she is OR WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS OF "THE GANG," THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY AT LARGE, now confessing that she is no longer an Adventist. If the entire world of Christianity was united under one umbrella except a tiny church on Main Street in Providence, Rhode Island (the smallest state in the United States) a person (Jesuit) like Jodi, would not be satisfied. She would go to that place and there demand that they must join with the "gang." Although she would maintain how precious Christ is to her, she would go to members and tell them to CELEBRATE and worship in ecstasy day and night enjoying "Christ," but would not herself engage in all of that: If having rousing worship services was the definition of "enjoying Christ," she would forget about all that and move off and go to other places that were different and wage war, at least telling them [and worse if she had the power] that they must become like all the rest. What most don't realize is the lengths she would then go to accomplish this if that small church refuses to accept her demand. That's where we get the definition of "tolerance" and "intolerance." Intolerance is now being masked in the most clever and successful ways where most people today cannot notice that the actual people who ran the Inquisitions are, in spirit, reincarnated all around them.

It's not even that Jodi believes what she believes and shares them with her neighbors. She is one of those who enter forums and then move from her sphere of influence to the Adventist community on the internet and PERSISTENTLY DEMANDS that it MUST surrender its beliefs and accept hers.

Another poster is "Tom Norris." This person literally posts OPEN LETTERS to the Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, literally demanding that it must change to his view of how Adventism should be. Not a single time we were there did he receive a single warning that he must understand that people, or even organizations, can disagree with him. He doesn't just merely ramble day and night with Adventists on the forums. He goes ABOVE THEM with constant demands to the Seventh-day Adventist authorities that they must change the whole system and force Adventist members to accept his propositions.

Here now is Jodi Theissen's major post. Often, as wrong or treasonous as the ideas they are presenting, is the more they ramble on pretending we are not asking them questions that break down their lies:

http://www.atomorrow.com/messages/8/589.html?1016426281
This link is likely no longer valid, especially due to the fact that we're exposing them. Whenever we submitted questions that these people couldn't answer, Jodi and Pat Darnell had the habit of making long posts with many scriptures misquoted in order to push our responses down and make it harder for readers to view them. This tactic also gives them the appearance of being well versed in the scriptures.]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic/browse_thread/thread/066eef01986580bd?hl=encatholic/browse_thread/thread/066eef01986580bd?hl=en

One God, One Jesus, ONE CHURCH!Feb. 2, 2002: 10:20PM

TRex: In light of the many troubles facing each and everyone in the civilised
World today, it is sad that the Church that Christ built is fragmented and
still at loggerheads. Protestants vs Catholics is a shameful thing
resulting from the breakaway from the Roman Catholic church by Martin Luther
over the corruption practiced within the Church then. It is interesting to
note that the Protestant movement founded by Martin Luther has fragmented
itself into thousands of denominations itself, while the Church of Jesus
Christ is still ONE.

I do sincerely wish that all Catholics and protestants can come together
under the ospices of the Catholic Church [ALWAYS! we are not
supposed to know that Rome has caused it all!] and unite as the disciples
of Christ to face the coming threats of the evil people as Moslems try
to eradicate us in the coming months and years before it is to

Jodi Thiessen wrote:

Ulrike, you know, I think it is wonderful that the Catholic Church is even encouraging Christians to pray for a way for the entire Body of Christ to come together.

I know the SDA Church prides itself in having put up a dividing wall and cut itself off from the Church, as do Mormons, and starting a NEW Body of Christ, but isn't that foolishness?
[You should notice the intolerance here. First she set up a lying premise that if an independent church of any sort springs up anywhere, it is starting a NEW "Body of Christ." She then rambles strategically in the form of a question to make herself appear tolerant, asking whether or not it's foolishness. They have done this to us on other forums as we expose the treason, approaching us and literally asking us if we forgot to take our medications.]

And I know even the SDA Church is wrestling with how to keep their "uniqueness" and still be a part of the larger Body of Christ. What I heard growing up in Adventism was that all the other Christian Churches would have to come in the Adventist Church in the end....Started way back there with ELLEN when she said God would reject those who didn't come into Adventism. That doesn't leave a lot of room for finger pointing at the Catholics, now, does it? [These Jesuits attack Ellen G. White every moment belying the claim that she was an insignificant mentally disturbed person who was able even to raise a major denomination through being struck in the "brain" with a rock during her childhood days. What Jodi is trying to do here basically is to claim that Ellen White is the only specific reason for the existence of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and not the bible. We challenged her and all the other Jesuit propagandists to even show that we have used Ellen White's writings to defend Adventist positions on our websites and they all pretended we did not ask. In comparison, Rome always said those who refuse to convert to Catholicism not only must die, but often in the worst of ways! This was presented to Jodi and she didn't miss this fact by accident!! They persistently howl on forums day and night about what they claim are great crimes that were done in the history of Adventism back to Ellen White's day (died in 1915). When we even pointed out the unparalleled horrible massacres performed by the Ustashis of WWII who demanded that everyone in Yugoslavia convert to Catholicism or be mutilated and tortured to death (even in the 1940s when some of you reading this were yet alive) they rambled on and couldn't hear us. They then rambled on over and over again how they were not Jesuits.]

The New Testament is clear:

Rom 12:4-5 For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

1 Cor 10:17 Since there is one bread, we who are many are one body; for we all partake of the one bread.

1 Cor 12:12-14 For even as the body is one and {yet} has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.

Eph 2:14-22 For He Himself is our peace, who made both {groups into} one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, {which is} the Law of commandments {contained} in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, {thus} establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner {stone} in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Eph 4:4-7 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.

Col 3:15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful.

There is only ONE BODY OF CHRIST, the fact that we have tied DENOMINATIONAL TOURNIQUETS all over it and weakend and splintered it, doesn't change the fact that there is only ONE BODY. The Catholic Church is making great strides to bring that ONE BODY back into unity....I applaud them for their efforts. They have now publicly acknwoeldged that Martin Luther was correct concerning righeousness by faith....that's a GIANT LEAP in the right direction. They have also publicly apologized for anything they have done to cause the BODY to become splintered.

There is but a SINGLE CHURCH....Christ is not coming back for a harum, but for ONE BRIDE. The rest of the Body of Christ is awakening to this fact and begiinning to let go of their man-made denominational labels and work across denominational lines to bring about the fulfillment of the purposes of God for the CHURCH, but of course there is this problem that each denomination has its own "head".....there is only ONE HEAD....Jesus Christ. I believe, though, that as the various denominations seek to be the CHURCH that Christ invisioned, and seek to respond to His intercessory prayer for her in John 17, we will se the ONE BODY come into unity, under the HEADSHIP of CHRIST and through the INDWEELING OF THE SPIRIT.

There IS but a single church....and to see her beginning to come together so that the GLORY OF GOD may fill the WHOLE EARTH is an exciting thing and I hope to see the day this BRIDE OF CHRIST is brought forth in ALL HER GLORY! And Ratzinger is correct, it is only going to come as Christians begin to earnestly pray for the Holy Spirit to BRING ABOUT THAT UNITY in the BODY OF CHRIST!



[Jodi here is talking about global domination ("WHOLE EARTH"). This is one specific thing the bible says that the Antichrist will do. But what then is the problem with that if the entire church, even in Christ's day, believed that the church is supposed to be ONE, you say?

Here's another example so that you can see why Jodi and the other strange invaders are very offended if we make the world know that they're Jesuits!...]

http://www.atoday.com/interact/forums/discus/

[This is under Adventist Doctrine, and then under the link about an Open Letter to the General Conference leaders. You will then find this dialogue on the October 24th link even though they were posted on October 23rd if it is still there...]

By Jodi Thiessen (Jthiessen) on Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 06:39 pm:

Maggie, I think it is a good thing to belong to the "catholic" (general, worldwide, universal) church (Body of Christ). God puts us there, you know:

1 Cor 12:18-20 But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired. If they were all one member, where would the body be? But now there are many members, but one body.

Rom 12:4-5 For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

I bet that makes some people shudder....

Eph 1:22-23 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Seems there's only ONE body of Christ, ONE church, and that it is indeed catholic....;)

Some day all these splintered denominations are going to have to come to terms with that and set aside their differences and BE the BODY OF CHRIST....longing for the day.

And I just bet when we take all those DENOMINATIONAL TOURNIQUETS off the Body of Christ, what was always designed to flow through it freely - the SPIRIT - WILL! Wonder what will happen then...

Waiting anxiously to see the "catholic" church come to maturity....I just bet God will say, "Hey, Son, go get your BRIDE!!!"


http://www.atomorrow.com/messages/8/610.html?1016593934 -- [The links shown here likely no longer work, and the articles themselves may no longer be on that system, especially since we have been exposing the participants and the site owners.]


Most people don't understand the nature of their desires for the Christian Churches, and all others, to be united. It is not nearly as clear-cut a proposition as one would expect. The Protestants also readily quoted that the Christian Church is to be ONE, but they didn't view that proposition the way the Jesuits did. Here is a key example. We want to look literally at the Christian Church during a period of time where it was rather perfectly united in doctrine: at its creation.

Now the issue of ecumenism came to a head. Jodi quoted New Testament scripture telling us that the church is one and that we must therefore give up our rights and come together. The problem I mentioned that had not been given an answer was the fact that at the time those scriptures were written, there were different groups of Christians that had their own head structure. THERE WAS NO SUCH A CALL FOR THEM TO COME TOGETHER UNDER A HIERARCHY.

There were the followers of Christ's gatherings, and there were the followers of John the Baptist's. CHRIST DID NOT CALL FOR THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR BELIEFS AND COME TOGETHER.

That is a major set-back for ecumenism, and it is frankly unanswerable to date as we have found.



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http://www.atomorrow.com/messages/8/617.html?1016664424

Ted McMillan:
Then Jodi, I already posted that though the followers of John the Baptist agreed in doctrine with the followers of Christ, they still maintained their separate organizations or entities. They did not join ecumenically, for to do so in commendation to the Pope means that liberties and beliefs must be surrendered to him on pain of even death. You have told us that we must surrender our beliefs to join with all religions even with the mission of this forum being a complete lie in contrast to your agenda [They kept telling us that the mission of their forums on the internet is to make sure there is free discussion and disagreement. They maintained that the Adventist Church denied their members this freedom, so they themselves raised forums to provide freedom. No one is to be allowed to belittle or denigrate anyone for what he honestly believes or any belief]. JR cannot notice this because he knows as well as I that the stated mission of this forum is a Vatican lie. The Gospel of Jodi in giving up "tourniquette" beliefs to hers does not fit into even her claims that we must disagree and vary on a spectrum. She has often accused me of calling people Jesuits just because they disagree. This gives the impression that she respects people who disagree, but it is proven to be a lie contrary to her claims. How does this Jesuit spectrum gospel mesh with Jodi's claim that we have to give up our beliefs to hers and become one [in political union with all other Christians under one head]?

Still yet, about Jodi's claims that the followers of John the Baptist ecumenically moved over with the followers of Christ, here is more proof this is not so and showing a contrast between Christ, His followers and the followers of the Pope:

Mark 9 says:
38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

As we can see here, there was NO CALL for the man to surrender his beliefs and join up in fellowship with them, compared to our present day when there is the despotic call to do the same and join up with someone guilty of much blood, while those calling for this are having diarrhea because they claim someone else plagiarized [The propagandists go irate because they claim that Ellen G. White, believed by Adventists to be a prophet, copied off of the historical works of others that depict historical events. Remember, prophets are most known for their ability to look ahead and not behind in history. Looking behind in history is mostly the job of the historian, and NO ONE needs inspiration to be an historian]! Heaven cannot be hell. Christians cannot be Antichristians!

From that time Jodi Theissen dodge my questions on this point:



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Jodi Thiessen wrote:

Eph 4:4-7 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all. But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.

Col 3:15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful.


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Jodi Thiessen wrote:
There is only ONE BODY OF CHRIST, the fact that we have tied DENOMINATIONAL TOURNIQUETS all over it and weakend and splintered it, doesn't change the fact that there is only ONE BODY.


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Ted McMillan responds:
When John the Baptist had his followers, and Christ had his, how many DENOMINATIONAL TOURNIQUET BODIES OF CHRIST were there? We are waiting for an answer, but all can see that you have again twisted Holy Writ!


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Jodi Thiessen wrote:
The Catholic Church is making great strides to bring that ONE BODY back into unity....I applaud them for their efforts.

[Jodi attacked the Adventist Church on the charge that she believes she is the one and only True Church, and that automatically means she thinks all other Christians are inferior or DAMNED. She persisted with this claim and would not stop. She ignored us telling her that Rome claims to be the one and only True Church with a history of mass-genocide against anyone who disagrees with that belief.

Next, her alter-ego at least, Pat Darnell, maintained that the Adventist Church supports the Ten Commandments and is therefore "legalistic." She claimed she was once a Seventh-day Adventist and was horribly tortured because of that belief since it hid her eyes from Christ. When we reminded her that Rome also supported the Ten Commandments, she developed a strange attack of propagandist's amnesia also. Here now, with the claim Adventists must give up these beliefs of theirs in order to join with the Christian community, and maintaining that because of Adventism's "weird" beliefs, she has to attack it constantly, she here tells us that she applauds the efforts of Rome without a single thought of an attack against it].


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Ted McMillan responds:
We have already revealed that you work for them. Are we surprised? We even say: Bad news Jodi Thiessen: they respect the 10 Commandments! Don't remember you have been posting quite despotically that to do that is legalism and damnable?


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JODI THEISSEN WROTE:
They have now publicly acknowledged that Martin Luther was correct concerning righeousness by faith....that's a GIANT LEAP in the right direction. They have also publicly apologized for anything they have done to cause the BODY to become splintered.

[They have apologized for "their sins," but they never specifically said what those sins were. One thing we do know is that their belief about what their "sins" are do not include massacring generations of people for not being Catholic, nor any other "sins" Protestants believe to be sin. Their sins do not include deceiving generations of people so that they can come to global power again either. Now posters on the internet can't dare tell us about the hate found in all the massacres Rome has committed. They won't SPECIFICALLY do that BECAUSE THOSE MASSACRES ARE COMING BACK!]


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Ted McMillan responds:
Have they apologized for placing strange people on all the forums frothing at the mouth because the Adventist Church claims to be the true church, but become silent when we show the world that Rome does the same? What about all the other times she has apologized in history before a massacre Answer please?


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JODI THEISSEN WROTE:
There is but a SINGLE CHURCH....Christ is not coming back for a harum, but for ONE BRIDE.


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Ted McMillan responds:
Will that bride tell us that Christ fulfilled all the prophecies [especially those that show us that the Papacy is the Antichrist] and that they should not be studied? Rev. 22 tells us that all who do that are damned. [These propagandists told us the Adventist Church MUST give up its beliefs and endeavors to proclaim doctrine and prophecy, for this makes her thinks she is something "special" and will not join up with the "rest of the gang." The book of Revelation shows in Chapter one that it's messages were given to Christ's church. Why then not only does Rome not receive this message, but her infiltrators everywhere are struggling to make sure others don't study it?

Jodi is behaving like all the other propagandist posters on the internet. When faced with unanswerable questions, they ramble on and persist in repeating what has been proven to be false.]



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JODI THEISSEN WROTE:
The rest of the Body of Christ is awakening to this fact and begiinning to let go of their man-made denominational labels and work across denominational lines to bring about the fulfillment of the purposes of God for the CHURCH, but of course there is this problem that each denomination has its own "head".....there is only ONE HEAD....Jesus Christ. I believe, though, that as the various denominations seek to be the CHURCH that Christ invisioned, and seek to respond to His intercessory prayer for her in John 17, we will se the ONE BODY come into unity, under the HEADSHIP of CHRIST and through the INDWEELING OF THE SPIRIT.

[Why did the Protestant Churches wait 400 years to realize they need to unite back with Rome? Why then are even "Adventist" ministers calling the Lord's supper, during their services, "THE EUCHARIST??"]


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Ted McMillan responds:
Will therefore the errirng ones repent and admit to us that they lied when they told us they even established this forum to examine all alternatives to thought and that it is a crime to be rigid in one's beliefs when they are not papal? Answer please? You people keep talking about fact. Can you explain to us what this means by you all telling us to bow to a spectrum [of beliefs] and yet you are constantly referring to facts that come from your mouths?


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JODI THEISSEN WROTE:
There IS but a single church....and to see her beginning to come together so that the GLORY OF GOD may fill the WHOLE EARTH is an exciting thing and I hope to see the day this BRIDE OF CHRIST is brought forth in ALL HER GLORY!

[Notice, THE WHOLE EARTH? That means heaven help you if you wanted to worship God according to your own conscience, even if you are forced to do it IN A DUMPSTER!]


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Ted McMillan responds:
You are willingly leaving out the persecution, framing, terrorism, torture and all the missiles that will be hurled against those who refuse to accept this hyper-papal position. Kindly give the people all the particulars and don't leave a thing out! All throughout the Reformation the same Papal dream was being told to the world. Explain to all the Protestants watching your incredible boldness.


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JODI THEISSEN WROTE:
And Ratzinger is correct, it is only going to come as Christians begin to earnestly pray for the Holy Spirit to BRING ABOUT THAT UNITY in the BODY OF CHRIST!


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Ted McMillan responds:
You are leaving out all the other plans and tactics of deception, intolerance, infiltration and tyranny that will also be used to carry this out. That includes the establishment of forums for free thought before we are Jesuitized into hearing about all these papal facts and dreams.


Jodi,

You gave many scriptures showing us first the fact there is no such thing as free thought, since you always talk about facts we must accept, and then which told us that the church is one.

The Apostles readily quoted such scripture, but there is a problem. There were the followers of John the Baptist in Christ's day, and the followers of Christ. I say it is clear that they did not interpret that scripture as politically and Catholicly, Vaticanly, Antichristianly or totalitarianly as you have.

Can you please show us how the Disciples of Christ demanded that the followers of John the Baptist give up their views and join them as you claim?

If anyone doesn't like my reasoning here, please discuss it instead of having the mean critical Vatican spirit.

[Jodi continued to post and ramble on about her dreams the Vatican always had and would not respond to the pressing questions. I therefore had to remind her again that she was being challenged to answer:]



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http://www.atomorrow.com/messages/8/622.html?1016725735

All right Jodi,

Waiting for your response to the scripture which more proves there was no call for the churches to ecumenically unite according to your despotic agenda. You demanded that we give up our beliefs to yours, like this forum does, so that we can all unite under your Pope. I gave another scripture showing that although the Apostles wrote that the church is to be one, no such a call was made either by Christ or by His followers.

Jodi claims that the followers of John the Baptist ecumenically moved over to unite with the followers of Christ. Here is more proof this is not so and showing a contrast between Christ, His followers and the followers of the Pope:

Mark 9 says:
38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

[Jodi danced around our requests every single time and perpetuated the issues she was raising here. Obviously the owner of the forum, JR, will not be able to allow us to remain there for very long. When it was all too clear that Jodi didn't have an answer for our questions, JR got irritated and kicked us off soon afterward.]

In one of the related pages, one of the propagandists interjected claiming that there may have been followers of Christ and followers of John the Baptist, but that later on they all migrated over to Christ's communion. I had to correct him and let him to know that ALL THE FOLLOWERS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST WERE ALWAYS FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST. John the Baptist readily made all of them to know that. If anything, transportation may have been a factor for why followers of John the Baptist remained with him.

The issue here is that the call to come under one political umbrella or organization or hierarchy, did not take place--EVEN WHEN THE BELIEVERS FULLY AGREED IN EVERYTHING!


Source: http://www.theirsecrets.info/catholicconnection.htm

The Church's Great Need


The Church's Great Need


[ARTICLE APPEARING IN APPENDIX TO FIRST EDITION OF CHRIST OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, BUT OMITTED FOR MECHANICAL REASONS FROM THE SECOND
RESET EDITION.--COMPILERS
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A revival of true godliness among us is the greatest and most urgent of all our needs. To seek this should be our first work. There must be earnest effort to obtain the blessing of the Lord, not because God is not willing to bestow His blessing upon us, but because we are unprepared to receive it. Our heavenly Father is more willing to give His Holy Spirit to them that ask Him, than are earthly parents to give good gifts to their children. But it is our work, by confession, humiliation, repentance, and earnest prayer, to fulfill the conditions upon which God has promised to grant us His blessing. A revival need be expected only in answer to prayer. While the people are so destitute of God's Holy spirit, they cannot appreciate the preaching of the Word; but when the Spirit's power touches their hearts, then the discourses given will not be without effect. Guided by the teachings of God's Word, with the manifestation of His Spirit, in the exercise of sound discretion, those who attend our meetings will gain a precious experience, and returning home, will be prepared to exert a healthful influence.


The old standard bearers knew what it was to wrestle with God in prayer, and to enjoy the outpouring of His Spirit. But these are passing off from the stage of action; and who are coming up to fill their places? How is it with the rising generation? Are they converted to God? Are we awake to the work that is going on in the heavenly sanctuary, or are we waiting for some compelling power to come upon the church before we shall arouse? Are we hoping to see the whole church revived? That time will never come.


There are persons in the church who are not converted, and who will not unite in earnest, prevailing prayer. We must enter upon the work individually. We must pray more, and talk less. Iniquity abounds, and the people must be taught not to be satisfied with a form of godliness without the spirit and power. If we are intent upon searching our own hearts, putting away our sins, and correcting our evil tendencies, our souls will not be lifted up unto vanity; we shall be distrustful of ourselves, having an abiding sense that our sufficiency is of God.


We have far more to fear from within than from without. The hindrances to strength and success are far greater from the church itself than from the world. Unbelievers have a right to expect that those who profess to be keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, will do more than any other class to promote and honor, by their consistent lives, by their godly example and their active influence, the cause which they represent. But how often have the professed advocates of the truth proved the greatest obstacle to its advancement! The unbelief indulged, the doubts expressed, the darkness cherished, encourage the presence of evil angels, and open the way for the accomplishment of Satan's devices


Selected Messages Book 1, p. 121, 122 (1887), Ellen G. White.


Bolds and highlights added for emphasis.


Arsenio.

Unwise Leaders Do Not Speak for God

An unidentified Catholic clergymen sponsoring an exhibition booth at the 2005 GC Session.


Unwise Leaders Do Not Speak for God


The voice from Battle Creek, which has been regarded as authority in counseling how the work should be done, is no longer the voice of God.

17MR 185 (1896).



It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.
17MR 216 (1898).



That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be--that is past.
GCB April 3, 1901, p. 25.


Ellen G. White writings.

Therefore now amend your ways and your doings,...


Jeremiah 26


1In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word from the LORD, saying,

2Thus saith the LORD; Stand in the court of the LORD's house, and speak unto all the cities of Judah, which come to worship in the LORD's house, all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:

3If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.

4And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to me, to walk in my law, which I have set before you,

5To hearken to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened;

6Then will I make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth.

7So the priests and the prophets and all the people heard Jeremiah speaking these words in the house of the LORD.

8Now it came to pass, when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that the LORD had commanded him to speak unto all the people, that the priests and the prophets and all the people took him, saying, Thou shalt surely die.

9Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the LORD, saying, This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the LORD.

10When the princes of Judah heard these things, then they came up from the king's house unto the house of the LORD, and sat down in the entry of the new gate of the LORD's house.

11Then spake the priests and the prophets unto the princes and to all the people, saying, This man is worthy to die; for he hath prophesied against this city, as ye have heard with your ears.

12Then spake Jeremiah unto all the princes and to all the people, saying, The LORD sent me to prophesy against this house and against this city all the words that ye have heard.

13Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.

14As for me, behold, I am in your hand: do with me as seemeth good and meet unto you.

15But know ye for certain, that if ye put me to death, ye shall surely bring innocent blood upon yourselves, and upon this city, and upon the inhabitants thereof: for of a truth the LORD hath sent me unto you to speak all these words in your ears.

16Then said the princes and all the people unto the priests and to the prophets; This man is not worthy to die: for he hath spoken to us in the name of the LORD our God.

17Then rose up certain of the elders of the land, and spake to all the assembly of the people, saying,

18Micah the Morasthite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and spake to all the people of Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Zion shall be plowed like a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of a forest.

19Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls.

20And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of the LORD, Urijah the son of Shemaiah of Kirjathjearim, who prophesied against this city and against this land according to all the words of Jeremiah.

21And when Jehoiakim the king, with all his mighty men, and all the princes, heard his words, the king sought to put him to death: but when Urijah heard it, he was afraid, and fled, and went into Egypt;

22And Jehoiakim the king sent men into Egypt, namely, Elnathan the son of Achbor, and certain men with him into Egypt.

23And they fetched forth Urijah out of Egypt, and brought him unto Jehoiakim the king; who slew him with the sword, and cast his dead body into the graves of the common people.

24Nevertheless the hand of Ahikam the son of Shaphan was with Jeremiah, that they should not give him into the hand of the people to put him to death.

Friday, December 19, 2008

Admonition Will Be Heard


We are living in the last days of this earth's history, and we may be surprised at nothing in the line of apostasies and denials of the truth. Unbelief has now come to be a fine art which men work at to the destruction of their souls. There is constant danger of there being shams in pulpit preachers, whose lives contradict the words they speak; but the voice of warning and of admonition will be heard as long as time shall last; and those who are guilty of transactions that should never be entered into, when reproved or counseled through the Lord's appointed agencies, will resist the message and refuse to be corrected. They will go on as did Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar, until the Lord takes away their reason, and their hearts become unimpressible. The Lord's word will come to them; but if they choose not to hear it, the Lord will make them responsible for their own ruin. {2SM 147.1}

In John the Baptist the Lord raised up for Himself a messenger to prepare the way of the Lord. He was to bear to the world an unflinching testimony in reproving and denouncing sin. Luke, in announcing his mission and work, says, "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of
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Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord" (Luke 1:17). {2SM 147.2}

Many of the Pharisees and Sadducees came to the baptism of John, and addressing these, he said, "O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire" (Matt. 3:7-12). {2SM 148.1}

The voice of John was lifted up like a trumpet. His commission was, "Shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins" (Isa. 58:1). He had obtained no human scholarship. God and nature had been his teachers. But one was needed to prepare the way before Christ who was bold enough to make his voice heard like the prophets of old, summoning the degenerate nation to repentance. {2SM 148.2}


Heard by All Classes

And all went forth into the wilderness to hear him. Unlearned fishermen and peasants came from the surrounding countries and from regions nigh and afar off. The Roman soldiers from the barracks of Herod came to hear. Chieftains came with their swords girded by their sides, to put down anything that savored of riot or rebellion. The avaricious tax gatherers came from the regions round about; and from the Sanhedrim came forth the phylacteried priests. All listened as if spellbound; and all came away, even the Pharisee, the Sadducee, and the cold, unimpressionable
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scoffer of the age, with the sneer gone, and cut to the heart with a sense of their sin. There were no long arguments, no finely cut theories, elaborately delivered in their "firstly," "secondly," and "thirdly." But pure native eloquence was revealed in the short sentences, every word carrying with it the certainty and truth of the weighty warnings given. {2SM 148.3}

The warning message of John was in the same lines as the warning to Nineveh, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown" (Jonah 3:4). Nineveh repented, and called upon God, and God accepted their acknowledgment of Him. Forty years of probation was granted them in which to reveal the genuineness of their repentance and to turn from sin. But Nineveh turned again to the worship of images; her iniquity became deeper and more desperate than before, because the light had come and had not been heeded. {2SM 149.1}

John called every class to repentance. To the Pharisees and Sadducees he said, Flee from the wrath to come. Your claims to Abraham as your father are not of the least value to you. They will not impart to you pure principles and holiness of character. Ceremonial sacrifices possess no value unless you discern their object, the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world. You turn from God's requirements and follow your own perverted ideas; and you lose those characteristics which constitute you children of Abraham. {2SM 149.2}

And pointing to the rocks in wild confusion around through which the stream was winding its course, he said, "God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham" (Matt. 3:9). {2SM 149.3}

John the Baptist met sin with open rebuke in men of humble occupation and in men of high degree. He declared the truth to kings and nobles, whether they would hear or reject it. He spoke personally and pointedly. He reproved the Pharisees of the Sanhedrim because their religion consisted in forms and not in righteousness of pure, willing obedience. . . . He spoke to Herod in regard to his marriage with Herodias, saying, It is not lawful for thee to have her.
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He spoke to him of a future retribution, when God would judge every man according to his works. . . . {2SM 149.4}

"Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?" (Luke 3:12). Did he say, Leave your toll and custom houses? No, he said to them, "Exact no more than that which is appointed you" (Luke 3:13). If they were taxgatherers still, they could hold just weights and balances of truth in their hands. They could reform in those things that savored of dishonesty and oppression. {2SM 150.1}

"And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages" (Luke 3:14). . . . {2SM 150.2}


The Sword of Truth at Work

Christ also spoke pointedly to every class of men. He reproved those who dominated over their fellow men, those whose passions and prejudices caused many to err and compelled many to blaspheme God. The sword of truth was blunted by apologies and suppositions; but Christ called things by their right names. The ax was laid to the root of the tree. He showed that all the religious forms of worship could not save the Jewish nation, because they did not behold and receive by faith the Lamb of God as their Saviour. {2SM 150.3}

Just such a work and message as that of John will be carried on in these last days. The Lord has been giving messages to His people, through the instruments He has chosen, and He would have all take heed to the admonitions and warnings He sends. {2SM 150.4}

The message preceding the public ministry of the Son of God was, Repent, publicans; repent, Pharisees and Sadducees, "for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matt. 3: 2). Our message is not to be one of "peace and safety" (1 Thess. 5:3). As a people who believe in Christ's soon appearing, we have a work to do, a message to bear--"Prepare to meet thy God" (Amos 4:12). We are to lift up the standard, and bear the third angel's message--the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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{2SM 150.5}


The Message for Today

The message we bear must be as direct as was the message of John. He rebuked kings for their iniquity. He rebuked the adultery of Herod. Notwithstanding his life was in peril, the truth did not languish upon his lips. And our work in this age must be as faithfully done. The inhabitants of the world at this time are represented by the dwellers upon the earth at the time of the Flood. The wickedness of the inhabitants of the old world is plainly stated: "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Gen. 6:5). God became weary of these people whose only thoughts were of pleasure and indulgence. They sought not the counsel of the God who had created them, nor cared to do His will. The rebuke of God was upon them because they followed the imagination of their own hearts continually; and there was violence in the land. "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." "And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth" (Gen. 6:6, 12, 13). . . . {2SM 151.1}

There are special duties to be done, special reproofs to be given in this period of the earth's history. The Lord will not leave His church without reproofs and warnings. Sins have become fashionable; but they are none the less aggravating in the sight of God. They are glossed over, palliated, and excused; the right hand of fellowship is given to the very men who are bringing in false theories and false sentiments, confusing the minds of the people of God, deadening their sensibilities as to what constitutes right principles. Conscience has thus become insensible to the counsels and the reproofs which have been given. The light given, calling to repentance, has been extinguished in the clouds of unbelief and opposition brought in by human plans and human inventions.
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{2SM 151.2}

It is living earnestness that God requires. Ministers may have little learning from books; but if they do the best they can with their talents, if they work as they have opportunity, if they clothe their utterances in the plainest and most simple language, if they are humble men who walk in carefulness and humility, seeking for heavenly wisdom, working for God from the heart, and actuated by one predominating motive--love for Christ and the souls for whom He has died--they will be listened to by men of even superior ability and talents. There will be a charm in the simplicity of the truths they present. Christ is the greatest teacher that the world has ever known. {2SM 152.1}

John had not learned in the schools of the rabbis. Yet kings and nobles, Pharisees and Sadducees, Roman soldiers and officers, trained in all court etiquette, wily, calculating taxgatherers, and world-renowned men, listened to his words. They had confidence in his plain statements, and were convicted of sin. They asked of him, "What shall we do?" (Luke 3:14). . . . {2SM 152.2}


Earnestness Is Necessary

In this age, just prior to the second coming of Christ in the clouds of heaven, the Lord calls for men who will be earnest and prepare a people to stand in the great day of the Lord. The men who have spent long terms in the study of books are not revealing in their lives that earnest ministry which is essential for this last time. They do not bear a simple, straightforward testimony. Among ministers and students there is need of the infusion of the Spirit of God. The prayerful, earnest appeals that come from the heart of a whole-souled messenger will create convictions. It will not need the learned men to do this; for they depend more on their learning from books than upon their knowledge of God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. All who know the only true and living God will know Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, and will preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. . . . {2SM 152.3}

Does anyone suppose that the messages of warning will not come to those whom God reproves? The ones reproved
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may rise up in indignation and seek to bring the law to bear upon God's messenger, but in doing this, they are not bringing the law upon the messenger, but upon Christ, who gave the reproof and the warning. When men endanger the work and cause of God by their own wrong course of action, shall they hear no voice of reproof? If the wrongdoer only were concerned, and the work reached no farther than him, he alone should have the words of warning; but when his course of action is doing positive harm to the cause of truth, and souls are imperiled, God requires that the warning be as broad as the injury done. The testimonies will not be hindered. The words of rebuke and warning, the plain "Thus saith the Lord," will come from God's appointed agencies; for the words do not originate with the human instrument; they are from God, who appointed them their work. If a suit is instituted in earthly tribunals, and God suffers it to come to trial, it is that His own name may be glorified. But a woe will be upon the man who gives himself to do this work. God reads the motives, whatever they may be. I pray that the Lord will teach our brethren to be straightforward, and make no compromise in the matter. The cause of God has been bruised and wounded by any such men connecting with it, and the sooner they are separated from it, the better. . . . {2SM 152.4}

God calls for men of decided fidelity. He has no use in an emergency for two-sided men. He wants men who will lay their hand upon a wrong work and say, "This is not according to the will of God."--Letter 19 1/2, 1897. {2SM 153.1}

Selected Messages Book 2 (1958)/Chap. 15 - Admonition Will Be Heard

The Herald




In that day will I cause the horn of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD.




Ezekiel 29:21.

Winter in America?



Where's the Global Warming?
When you need it?

Recently, it snowed in Houston, and New Orleans, and there were extensive blackouts in New England due to the frigid temperatures.

Today, Philadelphia, New York, and Boston brace for a Nor'Easter.

.

The Administration's latest solution for the financial problems facing the big three is
an
"Orderly Bankruptcy"

Things that make you say: Hmmmmmh?


Could this solution have been in the works for a while?

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Obama has picked Rick Warren of Saddleback Church to offer the prayer at his inauguration.

I guess that means that his administration will be Relevant, since he's Purpose Driven.

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Today is the 10th year anniversary of Bill Clinton's impeachment.

Blagojevich is right in not stepping down; Slick Willy showed us that YES WE (he) CAN!
And now, the dynamic duo (Hill-Bill) is headed to the White House for an encore.

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"A year ago the economy was officially in a recession".

Said, Meredith Vieira on NBC's Today this morning while interviewing Maria Bartiromo.

In spite of all the assurances coming from the White House to the contrary, until the bottom finally fell out of the economy in September 2008?
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W. Mark Felt, the former FBI official, a.k.a. 'Deep Throat', passed away yesterday.
As he once told his journalist confidant Bob Wodward: "Follow the Money"
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While we're on the topic of money:

Carol Kennedy was seen yesterday UPTOWN not in the upper west-side or the upper east-side, but up in Harlem having a gnosh at a famous Soul-Food Restaurant with Rev Al Sharpton.
Movin' on up, to the East Side, We finally got our piece of the Pie, Aye, Aye!
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Arsenio.

Thursday, December 18, 2008

Commentary: Obama should be more open to reporters



Story Highlights
Brown: Obama shouldn't brush off reporters asking about Blagojevich
Reporter asks question about Senate seat and Illinois governor
Obama campaigned on directness and openness, Brown says
That means he doesn't get to dismiss any question he doesn't like, she says

'The media is annoying' 2:34
CNN's Campbell Brown believes it is the media's job to hold President-elect Obama accountable.
Show Pages - Campbell Brown - CNN.com
Source: CNN Added December 17, 2008

The story

It goes without saying, the media is annoying. It is the media's job to be annoying. Especially those members of the media assigned to cover the president. Or in this case the president-elect.

Their role is not to support President-elect Barack Obama, but to challenge him, to do their best to hold him accountable.

This week the media is no doubt annoying Obama with daily questions about Democratic Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich allegedly trying to sell Obama's Senate seat and the role of certain members of Obama's team. Here was the exchange he had Tuesday with a reporter from the Chicago Tribune:

John McCormick: You told us at your first press conference after the election that you were going to take a very hands-off approach to filling that spot. Over the weekend, The Tribune reported that Rahm Emanuel, your incoming chief of staff, had presented a list of potential names. Watch Campbell Brown's commentary

Obama: John, let me just cut you off, because I don't want you to waste your question. As I indicated yesterday, we've done a full review of this. The facts are going to be released next week. It would be inappropriate for me to comment, because the -- for example, the story that you just talked about in your own paper, I haven't confirmed that it was accurate, and I don't want to get into the details at this point. So do you have another question?

All About Rod Blagojevich
Source:

Thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight


Ezekiel 12



1The word of the LORD also came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.

3Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight: it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious house.

4Then shalt thou bring forth thy stuff by day in their sight, as stuff for removing: and thou shalt go forth at even in their sight, as they that go forth into captivity.

5Dig thou through the wall in their sight, and carry out thereby.

6In their sight shalt thou bear it upon thy shoulders, and carry it forth in the twilight: thou shalt cover thy face, that thou see not the ground: for I have set thee for a sign unto the house of Israel.

7And I did so as I was commanded: I brought forth my stuff by day, as stuff for captivity, and in the even I digged through the wall with mine hand; I brought it forth in the twilight, and I bare it upon my shoulder in their sight.

8And in the morning came the word of the LORD unto me, saying,

9Son of man, hath not the house of Israel, the rebellious house, said unto thee, What doest thou?

10Say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; This burden concerneth the prince in Jerusalem, and all the house of Israel that are among them.

11Say, I am your sign: like as I have done, so shall it be done unto them: they shall remove and go into captivity.

12And the prince that is among them shall bear upon his shoulder in the twilight, and shall go forth: they shall dig through the wall to carry out thereby: he shall cover his face, that he see not the ground with his eyes.

13My net also will I spread upon him, and he shall be taken in my snare: and I will bring him to Babylon to the land of the Chaldeans; yet shall he not see it, though he shall die there.

14And I will scatter toward every wind all that are about him to help him, and all his bands; and I will draw out the sword after them.

15And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall scatter them among the nations, and disperse them in the countries.

16But I will leave a few men of them from the sword, from the famine, and from the pestilence; that they may declare all their abominations among the heathen whither they come; and they shall know that I am the LORD.

17Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying,

18Son of man, eat thy bread with quaking, and drink thy water with trembling and with carefulness;

19And say unto the people of the land, Thus saith the Lord GOD of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and of the land of Israel; They shall eat their bread with carefulness, and drink their water with astonishment, that her land may be desolate from all that is therein, because of the violence of all them that dwell therein.

20And the cities that are inhabited shall be laid waste, and the land shall be desolate; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

21And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

22Son of man, what is that proverb that ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth?

23Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision.

24For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

25For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.

26Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying.

27Son of man, behold, they of the house of Israel say, The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that are far off.

28Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord GOD.


Rejoice! The Lord is at hand




Rejoice! The Lord is at hand
with a love that transcends time and space




On Sunday, 14 December, the Third Sunday of Advent, known as Gaudete Sunday, the Holy Father introduced the Marian prayer of the Angelus with an explanation of this Latin term for "rejoice", as used by St Paul. In keeping with tradition, the Holy Father then blessed the "Baby Jesus" figurines brought by the children of Rome who will put them in their mangers on 24 December. The following is a translation of the Pope's Reflection, which was given in Italian.

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
This Sunday, the Third Sunday in the Season of Advent, is called "Gaudete Sunday": "rejoice", because the Entrance Antiphon of Holy Mass takes up St Paul's words in the Letter to the Philippians where it says: "Rejoice in the Lord always; again, I will say, Rejoice". And immediately after he explains the reason, because "The Lord is at hand" (Phil 4: 4-5).
This is the reason for joy. But what does "the Lord is at hand" mean? In what sense must we understand this "closeness" of God?
The Apostle Paul, writing to the Christians of Philippi, is evidently thinking of Christ's return and invites them to rejoice because it is certain. Yet, St Paul in his Letter to the Thessalonians, warns that no one can know the moment of the Lord's coming (cf. 1 Thes 5: 1-2) and puts people on guard against any kind of alarmism, as if Christ's return were imminent (cf. 2 Thes 2: 1-2).
Thus the Church, illumined by the Holy Spirit, already at that time understood increasingly better that God's "closeness" is not a question of space and time but rather of love: love brings people together! This coming Christmas will remind us of this fundamental truth of our faith and in front of the manger we shall be able to savour Christian joy contemplating in the newborn Jesus the Face of God who made himself close to us out of love.
In this light, it gives me real pleasure to renew the beautiful tradition of the Blessing of the Christ Child figurines, the miniature statues of the Baby Jesus to be placed in the manger.
I address you in particular, dear boys and girls of Rome, who have come this morning with your Baby Jesus figurines that I now bless. I invite you to join me, following attentively this prayer:


God, our Father
you so loved humankind
that you sent us your only Son Jesus,
born of the Virgin Mary,
to save us and lead us back to you.
We pray that with your Blessing
these images of Jesus,
who is about to come among us,
may be a sign of your presence and
love in our homes.
Good Father,
give your Blessing to us too,
to our parents, to our families and
to our friends.
Open our hearts,
so that we may be able to
receive Jesus in joy,
always do what he asks
and see him in all those
who are in need of our love.
We ask you this in the name of Jesus,
your beloved Son
who comes to give the world peace.
He lives and reigns forever and ever.
Amen.


And now let us recite together the prayer of the Angelus Domini, invoking Mary's intercession so that Jesus, whose birth brings God's Blessing to mankind, may be lovingly welcomed in all homes, in Rome and throughout the world.

After the Angelus the Pope said:

Today, in the Diocese of Rome, we celebrate the day for the construction of new churches. In recent years several new parish complexes have been built, but there are still communities who gather in provisional and inadequate structures. I warmly thank those who have supported such an important commitment of the Diocese and I renew the invitation to everyone: let us help the parishes of Rome to build their churches.
I am happy to greet all the English-speaking pilgrims and visitors present for today's Angelus prayer. On this Third Sunday of Advent we are called to rejoice because the Lord is near. As we renew our hope in Jesus and look forward to his coming, may we experience in our lives the deep joy of his salvation. I wish you all a pleasant stay in Rome, and a blessed Sunday!



(©L'Osservatore Romano - 17 December 2008)



Note: Bolds and Highlights added for emphasis......................Arsenio.