RESPONSE TO (A) FERVENT SDA BRETHREN

Brethren G.,

1>Welcome to Biggerpicture Ministries homepage, a UK organisation dedicated to
the preservation, proclamation and proliferation of God's present truth in these
last "lays".
http://www.whoisjesuschrist.co.uk/WhoisJesusChrist.html (Link provided by your 'knowing
Jesus' blog.)
2>Though it will appear that it is about to "full", it will prove triumph
at the end. (Your comment ).
3>Laodecia allusion fantasy.
4>Wheat and the tares.
5>Who is the Church?

Firstly, let me greet you -----------, AS A brother, sister. Why do your type always
use pseudonyms; Why don't you identify yourselves by your given names? Are
you hiding behind a religious facade? Will you also deny Christ like Peter (Cephas,
Simon) did? When the push comes to persecution? Anyway, brethren I appreciate your
comment and your sincere concern for the flock. Who is the Church of God? Is it
the Corporate Structure? The buildings and real estate the SDA Corporate Registered
Trademark, so closely controls? Let's be frank. The Church is comprised of
faithful Christ-like believers that have accepted Christ's gift of salvation,
and will follow no one else. Read John Chapter 10.

Then on the wheat and tares, also the Laodecian Issue:

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity;
but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also
shalt be cut off". Roman 11:22.


22My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my secret place: for
the robbers shall enter into it, and defile it.

23Make a chain: for the land is full of bloody crimes, and the city is full of
violence.

24Wherefore I will bring the worst of the heathen, and they shall possess their
houses: I will also make the pomp of the strong to cease; and their holy places
shall be defiled.

25Destruction cometh; and they shall seek peace, and there shall be none.

26Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall
they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and
counsel from the ancients....Ezekiel 7:22-26.



Read Ezekiel 34, and see what the Lord has in store for 'the haugty shepherds',
who mis-handle and claim God's flock as their own...



14They have blown the trumpet, even to make all ready; but none goeth to the
battle: for my wrath is upon all the multitude thereof.

15The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in
the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence
shall devour him.

16But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like
doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity....Ezekiel
7: 14-16.



4Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the
LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these. ...

9Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense
unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;

10And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say,
We are delivered to do all these abominations?

11Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes?
Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.

12But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first,
and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

13And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the LORD, and I spake unto
you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered
not;

14Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust,
and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh.

15And I will cast you out of my sight, as I have cast out all your brethren, even
the whole seed of Ephraim.

16Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them,
neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee....Jeremiah 7:4, 9-16.

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4Moreover thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; Shall they fall, and not
arise? shall he turn away, and not return?

5Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding?
they hold fast deceit, they refuse to return.

6I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness,
saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into
the battle.

7Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the
crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the
judgment of the LORD.

8How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly
in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

9The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected
the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

10Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that
shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given
to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

11For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying,
Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

12Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at
all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that
fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD...
Jeremiah 8: 4-12.


As far as the Church, will it fall?
The Church will not, but everything that can be shaken-up will be shaken. That
Church, again, is not the worldly trademark Church, brethren! It is the true Church
of God. The ones dispersed through out the world, who have the testimony of Jesus,
and keep HIS commandments. Not the perpetrator bench warmers who follow Celebration,
Applause, Jewelry and adornments, who enjoy the same entertainment as the world
does. Who flocked in droves to go see "The Passion of The Christ", with
the rationale: "Surely, Sister White would not frown upon going to the Theater
to such films?" In essence, following all the customs (christmas-easter {astarte})and
traditions of the world, yet claiming to be the chosen people of God. What hypocrisy!
Israel is truly, an obstinate people. Then, and now.
Can't you see the Sadducees and Pharisees all around you in those congregations.
Claiming to know the Truth, yet allowing others to stumble.


2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the
signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest,
the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers,
that it move not.

5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because
they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is
it in them to do good. ...

21For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they
shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.--------Jeremiah 10: 2-5, 21.



1The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond:
it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;

2Whilst their children remember their altars and their groves by the green trees
upon the high hills.

3O my mountain in the field, I will give thy substance and all thy treasures to
the spoil, and thy high places for sin, throughout all thy borders.

4And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee;
and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not:
for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.

5Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh
his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

6For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh;
but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

7Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

8For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots
by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and
shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

9The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know
it?

10I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according
to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

11As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches,
and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall
be a fool.

12A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary.

13O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they
that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the
LORD, the fountain of living waters.

14Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou
art my praise.
Jeremiah 17: 1-14.

9Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear,
all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird
yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.

10Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall
not stand: for God is with us.

11For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should
not walk in the way of this people, saying,

12Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy;
neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

13Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be
your dread.

14And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock
of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants
of Jerusalem.

15And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and
be taken.

16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

17And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob,
and I will look for him.

18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for
wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their
God? for the living to the dead?

20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it
is because there is no light in them....Isaiah 8: 9-20.



With participation in the World Council of Churches, the National Council of Churches,
Bert B. Beach's gift of that SDA medallion to JPII in 1978, and participation
as an NGO through ADRA, also active membership at the United Nations, when the Chaplain
of the U.S. Senate is a SDA, all the talks with Lutherans, Episcopals, Catholics,
etc.; On how to get-along? And you think that the Corporate Church has not stepped
off the foundation? That a new organization is not needed, when the Conference
has 'transformed' the faith once delivered to the saints? Please pray and
ask for discernment.


"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept
my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 15:10.

Brethren, rest ye not on thine laurels, claiming the Church is un-moveable. Jesus
is not a respecter of persons. He loves those that do His will. Not those that
claim they are His, yet do their own thing!

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and
given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."...Matthew 23: 43.

The Spirit of Prophesy, The Sanctuary message, The Three Angels' Messages, Justification
by Faith, The Sabbath, The Medical Missionary Message-Health Reform, are all fundamental
to the Seventh Day Adventist that I have come to know. I was born
in the Church, of a Seventh Day Adventist mother, who attended SDA schools.
Please forgive my digressions, but I weeep and tremble for the abomination of the
Church I see today: Advent Hope (name changes); Church's new Ecumenical Logo;
Celebration; Doubt in ,or No SOP; Ecumenism (Communism); Lack of Leadership; Homosexualty
condoned; Un-Biblical Ordination of Women; Cultural 'Relativity' Emphasis;
and the like. It is insulting, disgusting to think that God can call that Milieu
His Church?

"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst."
--1NL 99 (1898).

"It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the
voice of God."--17MR 216, (1898).

If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

--1 Corinthians 16:22.

If you should receive this as a sincere warning from an honest brother, peace.
If not, continue your slumber, but I tremble for you salvation.


Arsenio