JESUITS DOMINATE THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH! PART II
If you are rather new to the faith (especially in the United States), more often than not, an independent ministry would be best for you.*
They would keep you on a surer foundation.
*(Highlights added Arsenio)
You will be very angry with "your own governments" and "your own churches" at that time. Scarcely a warning or even a FIRE DRILL taking place to alert you or to help you are coming out of any of these components of free life. THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS!
His contact information has been updated.
NEW! No end to the nauseum of the propagandists dominating the internet!
Blasphemous propagandist here uses the Lord's name with a message to Christians: We should welcome FEMA concentration camps!
WOULD YOU "REPAY EVIL FOR EVIL?"
Here Keith Olbermann is very explicit in defending America. Many "Christians" from the video boxes on this page conclude that he is "mean."
The result will shock you!
Probing the concept of understanding that, as the end draws near, people are not what they supposed to be recognized by what they claim to be, but by the positions they hold within their hearts.
Probing how to tell what a man is by what he believes and what positions he holds, part 2.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD: A LESSON-BOOK FOR EVERY CHURCH OR ORGANIZATION UNDERGOING CHANGE!
Examining shocking and disruptive changes that took place against the Worldwide Church of God after the founder of that organization died and how it relates to similar changes in other churches and especially the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Jesuits infiltrated the Seventh-day Adventist Church and now horribly dominate it.Strange Religion and Worship Literally Concocted Within the Seventh-day Adventist Church!The Celebration Movement and concept of "worship styles" examined.
A "Progressive" Adventist speaks and proves that he sticks around Seventh-day Adventists in order to cause trouble and demand they change and retract their beliefs!
The most crucial part of the danger of the new bible versions hardly discussed anywhere else!
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO READ BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT WERE CREATED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE LOST??
There is no ignorance as horrifying as suffocating ADVENTIST IGNORANCE!
Strange ideas God's people have about the sign to leave and take flight from the cities!
Sabbath School lessons push the "new" movements and "worship styles" concepts, and therefore attacks veteran Adventists who oppose them. It then raises doubts about the authority of Ellen White.
Ellen White defended against the doubts raised against her. Anyone who attacks or dilutes or puts to doubt the authority of Ellen White, attacks far more than her and including the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
The war between the Seventh-day Adventist denomination and the protesting Independent Ministries more clearly defined.
More indepth study to see the ramifications of not understanding how to tell who people are. Showing how our society is being regressed and destroyed by people all among us, who are not what they claim to be, and who support the opposite agenda from even what they are elected to accomplish.
CHURCH INFESTATION: Dr. Bob Trefz (Doctor of Divinity) and Pastor John Osborne, in a video-taped interview (that took place around 1991), examine a strange movement that attacked the Seventh-day Adventist Church INTERNALLY, and that transcends all countries, cultures, and now even transcending all religions:
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: [To Bob Trefz]
From the very beginning you have made it clear that Celebration fits right in to the Catholic scheme of getting all the Protestant Churches that have run away from the Mother church back into the fold. Explain how celebration fits into this.
DR. BOB TREFZ: That’s the next stage John. I was walking through my personal library one evening, and I was thinking how interesting it would be to lay hands on top Jesuit documents of their plans for accomplishing what Ellen White says in Great Controversy about bringing all the churches back into their fold. And I thought lacking that, I can deal at least with public material, and I have a copy of the Vatican II documents.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: Now that’s two volumes, isn’t it? Because I have two volumes concerning with Vatican II. That was Pope John the Twenty-Third?
DR. BOB TREFZ: The Twenty-third called it.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: Right, back in 1962, wasn’t it?
DR. BOB TREFZ: He actually called it on January 25, 1959.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: Okay now, what was Vatican II?
DR. BOB TREFZ: Okay, John, if I could give a little historical background of Celebration, I’d like to. Would that be alright?
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: Absolutely!
DR. BOB TREFZ: Alright. First of all, just my encountering the documents of Vatican II, the first section of the documents of Vatican II is the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: Explain that word.
DR. BOB TREFZ: Liturgy, means THE WORSHIP SERVICE FORMAT.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: Liturgy means the worship service.
DR. BOB TREFZ: --FORMAT. And that’s of course what has been agitating our church.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: That’s what celebration is!
DR. BOB TREFZ: Right. Now, the “Sacred Council,” it says here “has set out to impart an ever-increasing vigor to the Christian life of the faithful; to adapt more closely to the needs of our age those institutions which are subject to change; to foster whatever can promote union among all who believe in Christ; to strengthen whatever can help to call all mankind into the church’s fold. Accordingly, it sees particularly cogent reasons for undertaking the reform and promotion of the liturgy.” – Documents of Vatican II, pg. 1
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: So this is the foreward or the purpose of Vatican II, that it is out to change the worship hour of Protestant Churches and to blend them into the liturgy or worship service of the Roman Catholic Church.
DR. BOB TREFZ: Because their purpose is to call all mankind into the “church’s” fold, and in Roman Catholic thinking, there’s one church.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: That’s right. And they’re gonna use the worship structure—the worship hour structure to do it.
DR. BOB TREFZ: Sure. It reaches the congregation at the broadest level. Everyone is expected to be there at the worship hour, and page 46 calls upon the pastors to introduce it gradually explaining the reasons for it as they go along.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: We were there. We were there.
DR. BOB TREFZ: Now, John, when we look at the term Celebration; and incidentally, it occurs on virtually every page of the Constitution of the Sacred Liturgy, as many as 14 times on the page: “Celebrant,” “Celebration,” “Celebrate.”
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: Is that all through Vatican II?
DR. BOB TREFZ: Celebration is the Catholic term for its services. Marriages, funerals, the Eucharist, Mass—they’re all celebrations. In fact, even the Council of Trent was called a celebration; and in here we have the bull for the Celebration of the Council of Trent. [Bob Trefz shows a book]
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: And yet I felt I didn’t know where it came from, but suddenly several years ago, we just began seeing “Celebration” in everything—all of our periodicals, everybody was talking about it, in the church bulletin—suddenly the word “Celebration” just sprang to life in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and I couldn’t figure out for the life of me where we got that term. We started naming magazines after it, and everybody—all the leadership were talking about celebration this and celebration that—everything was a celebration. And now to realize that back in 1962 this was the term that was used through the documentation of Vatican II for the worship hour, and that’s where it comes from.
DR. BOB TREFZ: But it’s been called—see in Roman Catholicism, “Celebration” is a very ancient term. It has always called its services "celebrations" like the Council of Trent was in the sixteenth century.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: And we’ve just adopted this Catholic term.
DR. BOB TREFZ: All the sessions of the Council of Trent were called "Celebrations". In fact it goes back to the mystery religions in Babylon—ancient Babylon. They “Celebrated” the mysteries.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: But Bob, if it was just the word, that would be one thing, but we’ve adopted much more than just the Catholic word "Celebration". It’s everything that the word "Celebration" in Catholicism entails.
DR. BOB TREFZ: Yes. And the sequence—the historical sequence of development leading us to the point we’re at now is absolutely fascinating and stunning. Now John a little more history about this Celebration.
ACCORDING TO VATICAN II SUNDAY [Sunday worship] IS THE CHIEF CELEBRATION—the chief celebration. And in the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy there is a flow that I began noticing. I began underlining things that were paralleling developments in our church, and I saw that musical celebrations were to be the most effective celebrations.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: You mean music has something to do with this?
DR. BOB TREFZ: And the popular music was to be brought in. Now 25 years ago that was pretty revolutionary. And we know we have good friends who were Roman Catholics who are now historic biblical Adventists and they said they noticed immediately after Vatican II the guitars were brought in, the whole music was changed. But I want to address some of that a little more in-depth a little later John because here is something that gives us an ominous note as to where Celebration ultimately goes, and that is in the Spanish Inquisition. The most pious and the most holy celebration of the Papacy was the [A-do-de-fay] [Can't confirm the spelling here] the burning of heretics at the stake.
And here I have Henry Charles Lee History of the Inquisition of Spain. [Bob Trefz shows a book] Now Henry Charles Lee is the definitive work on the subject. He went into the very archives of Spain. It was called the “CELEBRADO” in the Spanish Inquisition, the service of burning people at the stake. They would have choirs singing te deums, they would have a thousand notables marching, the King would be present, and there’s a chapter called “The Celebration” right here. The Celebration of the [A-do-de-fay]. And if people found that they were losing their nerve as they watched people burning at the stake and wanted reconciliation with the church, they could request that and the Inquisitors would speak with them, and if they decided to grant them reconciliation, canon law said that they had to spend the rest of their days in prison.
So you were faced in the Inquisition—if you were even suspect of being a heretic, and, Leonard Levy in his Origins of the Fifth Amendment, the Pulitzer Prize winning book in 1969, said that anyone who got in the coils of the Inquisition, of all of those individuals there is not one record of anyone ever escaping unscathed. So once you were suspected, that was it, and it was the stake if you were faithful and imprisonment if you recanted. [Children of the people who did these things, who now serve as propagandists all over the world, often have the accusation of "PARANOIA" when anyone suspects their conspiracy!]
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: So you had to be so totally against the heretics to escape even being caught. It kind of like reminds me of the French Revolution to where anybody that was even suspect of being a sympathizer was taken to the guillotine.
DR. BOB TREFZ: That’s right John. And Henry Charles Lee also has definitive work on the Inquisition of the Middle Ages. And he tells in this book, he tells of how the Inquisitors would come into an area, they would call all the population out and everyone was to tell everything they knew about any heretics. There was only one area that escaped from this, and that was because the people covenanted not to tell on each other, and the Inquisitors couldn’t do anything. It was still in the early stages of the Inquisition—they had ways of dealing with that later on.
But, BETRAYAL OF OTHERS was the proof of conversion, see. And what happened was the Inquisition was designed to instill TERROR* in the population--utter fear—so that the people would subject themselves, tell everything they knew. They had records of everything across Europe, and any heretic their genealogy would be examined and they kept records for generations.**
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: But Bob, that was hundreds of years ago. That doesn’t have anything to do with the Adventist Church and what we’re going through today, does it?
DR. BOB TREFZ: Oh, what does Great Controversy tell us in the chapter “Liberty of Conscience Threatened”? [John laughs and reveals that he was just being “facetious.”] But it’s coming back, and the Pope is absolutely clear that this is where he wanted to take us. See THE INQUISITION WAS THE EFFORT TO IMPOSE UNIFORMITY AND UNITY IN THE CHURCH, AND IN THE NAME OF UNITY THEY BURNED PEOPLE, IMPRISONED THEM, CUT THEIR TONGUES OUT, TORTURED THEM, WHATEVER. -- From the Jesuit Agenda Video Library put out by the now defunct Prophecy Countdown, Vol. 1, Video 1, 32mins into play.
PASTOR JOHN OSBORNE: What does Celebration have to do with the Three Angels Messages?
DR. BOB TREFZ: Well Celebration for the Roman Catholic movement and for the World Council of Churches is their code term for liturgical change and liturgical matters, just like Rome's code term for labor unions is what? Solidarity. ...
So this is their term for the convergence of the churches. -- From the Jesuit Agenda Video Library put out by the now defunct Prophecy Countdown, Vol. 1, Video 1, 51mins into play.
See there are two movements at the end of time, and these movements cross all boundaries. There is God's movement of the Three Angels' Messages to every nation, kindred, tribe and people to pull people out of Babylon--every aspect of Babylonian celebration. The other movement--the Ecumenical movement which is bringing all the people, knitting them together in Babylon with the coalition of the Papacy, spiritualism and apostate protestantism. -- From the Jesuit Agenda Video Library put out by the now defunct Prophecy Countdown, Vol. 1, Video 1, 53mins into play.
* War on terror as we more and more adopt the principles of the Inquisitions in the United States on the false claim that we're moving forward and adopting "new" principles.
** The Patriot Act gathers information on everyone as all the brutal regimes even of the 20th century regularly practiced.
Examination of official literature in the Seventh-day Adventist denomination conceived and written by Jesuits on the next page.
05/03/2009
Here is a link containing Dr. Bob Trefz's sermons:
http://thewatchmenpracticenetwork.ning.com/Chatroom/bob-trefz-sermons
Note: We have been unsuccessful scouring the internet for the works of Dr. Bob Trefz. But we just recently found a resource to where you can at least locate some of them and even his address where you can join his mailing list:
WRM
18950 HWY 441 #308
Mt. Dora, FL 32757
ATTENTION!... When putting together the numbered reasons why the Celebration movement within the Seventh-day Adventist Church is treasonous against Adventism and dangerous, we thought of all the major reasons we could why it was a tragedy. We lamented that the numbers of reasons we had only came to the number six (6) as shown below. We then remembered one more dynamic point that finally brought the reasons to number seven (7).
What was ironic about this is that this revelation reminded us about someone else who missed this major point and in the same way.
Prophecy Countdown put out a series of videos exposing the Celebration movement within the Adventist Church. In video number six (6) of that series at the beginning of it, Pastor John Osborne remarked about something he had forgotten to mention in all the videos he had made about the movement. What he and we forgot is now listed below in the seventh reason why the Celebration movement forcing itself on the Seventh-day Adventist Church is of the Devil.
What is a "Celebration Church?"
The denomination has their own official publications. How is it or why is it that a new movement was imposed upon the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and it was the independent ministry publications that wound up having to inform the members about it? The official publications then had to confess that a new movement called the "Celebration Worship Style," was here, and pretended to just mesh in with the fact that it is now known without any accountability as to why they didn't inform the members about it, and then to defend it to the hilt. Before the movement was identified till the leaders saw they couldn't deceive anyone anymore about its existence, many of them pretended they didn't even know what the movement was. They then had to say, in order to defend the movement, that it was just another option out there and we shouldn't be "dogmatic" or "bigoted" enough to think there are no other options to our own individual "worship styles."
What is "Worship Styles?"
Notice that the expression "worship styles" is already well incorporated into the ecumenical movement which was strongly and consistently repudiated in the Adventist Church throughout all its history!
Adventists have not heard words like these before! When did it materialize? They claimed that different cultures have different ways and manners of worship. When members of those cultures or countries then travel to or immigrate here, we can expect to see different "styles of worship" coming our way. They then accused the veteran members who opposed it even of trying to push the "American style of worship" on everybody else when those veteran members pushed for REVERENCE in the house of God. Again, all these concepts, even of "worship styles" were unheard of in the entire history of the church. But they pushed it as if it was always around. The denomination accused the veteran members who watched what was going on of thinking themselves "GOD" to tell the church they cannot accept any other "worship styles." They told the members that it is a new movement, and that we shouldn't just condemn anything new like that without knowing about its fruits, or what it can produce. They claimed that we didn't know anything about the movement, and thence cannot justly condemn it. They told us to give it a try, or "wait and see" what it will all come out to. Of course, we already knew that it sprang up illegitimately. We knew that the Adventist leaders thought themselves GOD to bring such a movement unannounced upon the people, disrespecting them and their rights. Very intelligent people imposed it upon the church, and they did this because they knew if the movement was detailed before the members first before imposing it upon them, THEY WOULD NEVER ACCEPT IT. So they had to play GOD above the will of the people. What we're showing here is the talent they had to accuse others of their own personalities. This is the same scenario in the presentation of a NEW WORLD ORDER to the rest of the world. This is consistently the talent of the Jesuits we met all over the newsgroups.
Question: In all honesty does anyone remember ever even hearing the expression, "worship styles" before 1986 in the Seventh-day Adventist Church? Ever wondered why even Ellen White never commented on the varying worship styles of "different" Adventists? Wonder why she never warned that we are not to infringe on any other Adventist's "worship style?"
After mostly only those members who were keeping a watch naturally rejected it and worked to expose it before the rest of the members, ministers flooded the pulpits to cry to all who would be deceived by them saying that they can't understand for the life of them why they are being attacked by very "critical" "bigoted" and "hateful" people. This movement involved even removing the concept of what is sacred or REVERENT from worship entirely. It sponsored music that was ALWAYS rejected by the Seventh-day Adventist body consistently throughout its history. Why would intelligent people not know that it would be resisted? Why would those intelligent people, claiming not to know it would be resisted, pushed it in secret?
IT ONLY PROSPERED IN THE CONFUSION ALREADY BROUGHT AGAINST THE DENOMINATION WELL BEFORE ITS ENTRANCE, AND COULD NOT SURVIVE WITHOUT IT. From this it was already clear that the denomination determined that it must be accepted at all costs. The signs were already given that the movement imposed by the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church were not really regarded by them as an option, but an imperative. How then can they accuse those who oppose it of wanting their own "dogmatic" preferences to dominate the whole church? What you are to do is compare these events that happened in the Adventist Church (to this day) to the Federal Government of the United States. The similarities are remarkable!
Typically the very first premise Seventh-day Adventist councils have for electing people to office in the church would be that the candidate must have a doctorate degree. Many Adventists poked fun at this concept, remarking that under our common guidelines, Christ Himself can never qualify for church office. Yet those same people who qualified in that manner stood before large audiences saying how they just can't understand for the life of them why they were being opposed and attacked. Perish the thought of having referendums or other means to find out why!
Baptism and Eucharist -- Ecumenical Convergence in Celebration.
(The Eucharist is the consecrated host, where the Catholic priest would take a wafer, then pronounce a blessing upon it and then claim it becomes Christ Himself--Christ's very presence is at least within that wafer. Everyone is then obliged to worship it. Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands were put to death just for not bowing before it when it was held high in front of processions. That's why biblical Christians can never attend Mass. The very ceremony is hideously soaked in the blood of the Saints.)
In the arena of their counterparts in civil society, public media shows that a staggering percentage of Americans distrust the government, and even believes she was complicit with the 911 disaster and even wanted it! Public media shows that the international polls are even worse! One such poll said that 63% of Canadians believe the government actually staged 911! From both church and state, what are such distrusted organizations to do? What can they do about this situation while they claim so much to care so much about the people and what they think, under the word DEMOCRACY? Just like the recent movements with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, when strange people infiltrated, they began to claim that they care so much about what the people think, UNLIKE THOSE WHO OPPOSE THEM. It is strange then that the veteran Seventh-day Adventists who suffer from these false accusations, if they remained in power, would actually even call referendums to even figure out for themselves why they are distrusted. The strange new leaders kept trumpeting from the pulpits and publications that they don't know why they are distrusted and attacked, but made sure they never did anything to truly find out why. The concept we claimed to have started a war with Iraq for? Democracy? By the people and for the people? The war was voted down! Why is it still going on? Why did Bush in May 2008 say, "Popularity is fleeting! Principles are forever!"?
In response to the distrust, the Seventh-day Adventist Church leaders chose to send ministers on the pulpits and writers on the printing presses to warn the members that if they distrust the leaders, they have a very terrible spiritual problem. They then sent sermons begging the members to trust them with no intention to earn it. What did they do then? They sent more ministers to other congregations to demand that they change and change their "style of worship." From the dialogues we have on this website, you should see by now, that PERSISTENCE in even any wildly and obviously treasonous endeavor, is a planned and trained necessity. They continued to attack the independent ministries and made sure there were no viable dialogues between them so that the entire church can get to the bottom of the issue. They knew that the more members talked about or examined the issues was the more their cause was worsted. The leaders just kept continuously condemning the independent ministries, making sure the people do not have the brains to understand that their claims to favor diversity or differences of opinions and ideas were always false.
What did the federal government do with all the distrust they face from their own people and moreso from the international community especially in wake of 911? Just like with the Adventist Church, their media that they claim is free, is not! The media also has a paranoic watch under their beds for those big bad 'ol "conspiracy theorists!" These "conspiracy theorists" interrupt the government's benevolent mission to train the citizens against that dreaded disease called "paranoia!" With the internet then being free media, what can the government do? They constantly teach the citizens about the dangers of paranoia while they whine day and night about the most profound terror group in the world they called, "Conspiracy theorists." What next did they do? They increased every suspicious activity they were criticized for that was responsible for the great rise of these "Conspiracy theorists." They then utilize their infiltrated propagandists to argue day and night against true Americans to hopefully blindside the rest of the population. It is now like an everyday affair. The delay even of aid to the victims of Katrina is an unnecessary event! But it is part of the conditioning process. It is vital for them to continue to misbehave and continue to send their bellowing propagandists everywhere to fight against anyone who would notice that these are neither natural nor acceptable acts that grow and grow and grow. Actually it is the infiltrated Jesuits who are doing these things.
The time soon finally came when it was proven not only that the movement forced on the people by the leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church was false EVEN BEYOND DEBATE, but it was treason in the highest degree. The following points prove this.
1. Nowhere in the bible can anyone find the concept of different "worship styles," and how they vary from country to country in the Christian faith. Those pushing this movement were challenged to find this information, but they couldn't. The Adventist leaders often in their Public Relations campaigns to push this deception claimed that it was a matter of culture, and sometimes even said that those who opposed it in America just wanted to keep their "American worship style" and suppress all others. In contrast, the leaders claimed they wanted America to become a showcase of diversity and all "worship styles." When it was brought out that there may be many different cultures, but just two worship styles, the eyes of many were opened. They just needed to be asked what was the name of the "worship style" in Africa, then in China, then in Malaysia, then in India, etc., they didn't have a name for them. Yet in all the contentions that flared up because of the illicit introduction of this concept, only one other name was mentioned, "CELEBRATION:" "The Celebration Worship Style." This movement wound up being pushed in other countries as well, with the same problems wherever it went!
From the beginning of the Christian faith, when it sent missionaries into other countries, they never trained those missionaries to first find out what was their "worship style." That's why the concept of REVERENCE always was universal language. From the poorest countries, all who accepted the offer of Christian missionaries worshipped the way they did. The "Celebration" movement was developed in part to unify people all over the world into ecumenism, ultimately into unity with the Catholic Church. Even anyone on the street was supposed to enter church enjoying the music he can identify with instead of having a seeming withdrawal syndrome with the wholesome examples that would normally confront him therein. The best way to catch prosperous nations in a weakened state before a major fall, as what happened during the fall of Babylon, changing their free systems into tyrannical ones, is to make sure they are partying even in church.
2. As this movement was pushed, leaders reminded those who opposed it that things are different now. Here in America, our leaders were telling us we have many different nationalities now and that we must make accommodations for this. This also was proven to be deception. Immigration was always a very big thing in the United States from the earliest times. It was pointed out, even from pictures taken at the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge, which was completed in 1883, it was built mostly by immigrants. Those pushing the Celebration movement were trying to make members believe that cultural diversity in the United States was some kind of new thing. It may well have been sparked by great influxes of new members into the church, but the impression given was false. This movement came naturally after the members were seized upon with the idea of the concept of diversity, which made it a good thing to question almost every doctrine they held and put them into debate. When masses of immigrants came over into the United States, which churches had to remark about an issue of divergent "worship styles" that were entering?
3. The "Celebration Worship Style" movement was an intolerant movement from the start masquerading as a tolerant and democratic one. Since the research showed that it came from Rome, it would naturally be pushed with her attributes. When it sought to come in, anyone who didn't want it were accused of being intolerant, dogmatic and bigoted. It was actually those pushing it who were, as we have shown is easy for the Jesuits, intolerant, dogmatic and bigoted.
It is rather easy to prove this just by the way it was introduced. Perish the thought that if there is a new concept beneficial for the whole church body it should first raise churches that hosted the concept so the rest of the church can see for themselves its benefits and adopt it. Unfortunately the Celebration movement was a parasitic movement. It acted like a virus. It almost never hosted churches of its own. Ministers were sent to already existing churches to demand that they change. Over time what was happening was that churches accepting this movement and becoming "Celebration Churches" began to grow and grow in numbers. Just as much as this was happening, the traditional churches, as Adventists always understood them, then became less and less. That was because the Celebration movement never could and was never intended to exist on its own or upon its own merits. It forced itself on the churches to demand that they be converted.
"And then in 1958, it's very interesting that G C Berkouwer, a prominent Dutch reform theologian, put out a book, Recent Developments in Roman Catholic Thought, where he examined what was going on in the thinking of Roman Catholicism, and he warned the world that if they could not take a position of "WE KNOW" based on the Word, they would lapse back into the ex-cathedra decisions of Rome." -- Dr. Bob Trefz, Jesuit Agenda I, 43 mins. into play.
ATTENTION: Through the debate system adopted by the new global movements, the "WE KNOW" position has been transformed to "WE THINK." As we then cancel each other out, debating against each other, revolution is taking place because of the UNIFIED positions and agenda of those who put us in the confusion.
The expression "Adventist Distinctives," is used to cut down the TRUTHS Adventists believe, declaring Adventist beliefs to be merely it's doctrinal opinions relative to the organization, as just one organization among many that can have their opinions. The expression, "belief system" is also used to cut down truths that may be believed by the Adventist Church or any other. These, used like the expression "conspiracy theorist" are expressions designed to work subliminally on the minds of people without them knowing it, struggling to transform organizations that stand out, into organizations that would be absorbed as servile components of the larger and largest organization to be. Then the ones on top will do the thinking.
The two different modes could not blend. The Celebration Movement was created to host objectionable and even sacrilegious music, containing holy themes with unholy music the world long hosted. The Church was thence determined to follow the world and let the world teach it how to make music. This was done also to cause a SEPARATION of honest veteran Adventists from the rest of the body they hoped to work on and overcome. They always knew that true veteran Adventists can't stand such music. They therefore persisted in demanding that this kind of music, only now with holy words, dominate the denomination. They correctly believed that these honest veteran Adventists are bound to cause them trouble. The treason wants them out. At the same time, as independent ministries are being formed, some of them are pushing strongly that faithful Adventists are to abandon the denomination to its fate. Yet there are clues from inspiration where the Lord sends a message to these faithful Adventists that they shouldn't just abandon the denomination where so much labor has been given to create and maintain. THE LORD WANTS THEM TO STAY AND FIGHT! And how is the best way to fight? BY MORE AGGRESSIVE EVANGELISM INDIVIDUALLY, MORE SHOWCASING PRESENT TRUTH TO THE WORLD. That's why we stressed individuals giving Revelation Seminars in each home and empowering themselves by becoming individually active in promoting that which is constantly and even secretly suppressed in the denomination.
The Jesuits, being very knowledgeable for how to destroy organizations, want those who would interrupt their work of internal treason out of Adventist membership with the denomination. That means she wants those Seventh-day Adventist members who are naive to remain and flood the church, while the ones who are loyal and intelligent to leave. It is obvious why.
Question: are the Jesuits more or less intelligent than even some of the independent ministry leaders who want true Adventists to also abandon the denomination? Answer: they are MORE intelligent. They know that it is necessary for loyal and studious Adventists to leave the body for it to be destroyed and for the concept of Adventism itself to die. They know more about the specific movements of disaster than we do here on this website. Often we learned what was going on by watching them and looking even at what they would attack, and we benefited greatly from that. They know more than we. Their belief that the best Adventists must abandon the denomination in order to destroy Adventism is correct, and those who even form independent ministries that agree with this their proposition for abandonment are in error, thinking that abandoning it will protect the concept of Adventism and the truths of the Three Angels Messages.
They must be there to provide for those truest Adventists who had been assaulted or even cast out. For them and others they must be there to provide special programs to help Adventists to comply with the special directions inspiration gave them to warn the people and protect their lives. The best options for them is to greatly increase the importance of their Wednesday night meetings and other weeknight events. They must not merely even be like the denomination and merely provide sermon services yet of a higher quality. They must teach their brethren to evangelize individually so that they can create more loyal and intelligent Seventh-day Adventists: the very ones who have been secretly attacked for so long.
It is not as impossible as people are believing. Adding to that the concepts taught on this website will provide a firm challenge to the pluralistic and wishy-washy messages being communicated to members.
To the constant subliminal overtures that doctrine divides and doctrine doesn't save us must given the unrelenting reply, "Who then was dumb enough to give us doctrine?" To the constant enfeebling messages telling us that there are traditional Adventists and liberal Adventists in different classes and "styles" must be given the unrelenting reply for where this concept of styles can be found in the scriptures and how can those who oppose this concept be called, "divisive." How did Ellen White have to cope with liberal Adventists?
Some will say that I am a stooge just playing into the hands of those who hate the message. You must understand here that I am not telling you to do what those in treason want. Remember, they don't want the best Adventists to be within the denomination: they want them out.
We complained again and again about the watered-down and treasonously ecumenical messages coming from the church structure. Ever heard the expression, "If you want anything done right, you have to do it yourself?" Well that expression is not just for the scarce leaders of independent ministries nor the good ones still within the denomination. The secret to success here is for individual effort to create more of what you were looking for in the denomination. Through giving supreme service and not money to the infiltrated structure, you can create more real Adventists and then more protect the concept around the structure true Adventists built and sustained. You then teach these Adventists to give the WORD also. With enough of the truth all around them it would not then become such a threatened entity.
This will necessitate a program of seminar training and scripture memorization. You do what the structure should have, only you don't just evangelize to win church bench warmers: you evangelize to bring them in and then to train them to do what you do and evangelize also.
After a while of doing this there is bound to be contention eventually with the denomination based upon the people who dominate there. Treasonous movements move in secrecy. THE LORD WANTS NOISE TO BE CREATED! The reason for that is because otherwise most people have no clue what is happening to the Adventist Church and how these events give a small clue of what is happening in their churches and in the civil and global scene. The independent ministries were raised of God. However, it is contrary to His design for them to encourage that the denomination be abandoned till the fulfillment of the time where the Spirit of Prophecy tells us the denomination will urge its members to keep Sunday.
The Lord has a controversy with his professed people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week. -- Review & Herald, March 18, 1884 par. 8
Many will stand in our pulpits with the torch of false prophecy in their hands, kindled from the hellish torch of Satan. If doubts and unbelief are cherished, the faithful ministers will be removed from the people who think they know so much. "If thou hadst known," said Christ, "even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes." -- Special Testimonies, No 11, pg. 8.
Note: The quotation says the faithful ministers will be removed "if doubts and unbelief are cherished." This is indeed happening because Adventists ARE DOUBTING THEIR HERITAGE AND HISTORY. They are then allowing illegal revolution on the grounds that the men of the cloth have more experience and the right to do that BECAUSE TIMES HAVE --CHANGED--, so they should just live and enjoy life and leave that business to their ministers and church officials. None of this would have happened if they were enraptured in aggressive evangelism. Since they are not into that, they are and consider themselves "out of the loop." They then just sit back and acquiesce.
The important field of vision here is not the independent ministry locations: it is the denominational pulpits. This is not a put-down for the independent ministries, for they were indeed raised by God. The problem here is that the irritation the Lord describes will come from within the denomination. It is tragic because the denomination kicked out the independent ministry leaders from the communion and therefore left these independent ministry leaders free from the condemnation written just above here. They didn't allow the "wheat and the tares" to grow together, but kicked out the independent ministry leaders.
In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed against those who sit in the gates deciding what the people should have." -- Manuscript 15, 1886.
This acknowledges that a time will come when people who sit IN the gates will be doing a great deal of TINKERING. In this tinkering they will be silently making it a mandate to declare that the Adventist Church never had the truth from the beginning. Why are they deciding what the people should have when God already gave them the truth? Why are they EXPERIMENTING? Why are they deciding to send the Adventist Church BACKWARDS while claiming they're progressing? This tinkering will lead to the downfall of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination unprepared for the greatest crisis ahead, and will carry with it millions of Adventists who otherwise would have been strong for the Lord and the truth. This again points to inside the denomination and not outside.
At that time there will be great noise everywhere and thence no need to stay with a now confirmed apostate organization that accepted revolution like the Worldwide Church of God. All will then be aware and warned of the issues and be compelled to take sides. That is the major issue here: like going to foreign countries to be missionaries for the Gospel to those who can't receive the Gospel, should we even abandon Adventists brought to the denomination by the services of even Amazing Facts with Pastor Doug Batchelor and let them then witness the typical sermons and services mellowing down and watering down their zeal and understanding of what they had just learned?
The more the truest of Adventists may want to leave or even escape the suffocating error and sacrilege determinedly pushed by the denomination should be the more they engage in aggressive evangelism. That's the most effective way to "fight." That is the issue being raised here. Let there be a new era where each member becomes empowered quickly to give the message even to large audiences. Let this be a major agenda.
The denomination used to more boldly parade the name "Celebration Churches," but since there was opposition, they have quieted down using that name for the movement, but are merely pushing every characteristic it always had. They have not given up. They are still doing everything that caused the greater uproar not too long ago. They are now more and more pushing it in secret.
Dr. Bob Trefz: "Now John a little more history about this celebration. According to Vatican II, Sunday [Sunday worship] is the chief celebration of Rome." -- From the Jesuit Agenda Video Library put out by the now defunct Prophecy Countdown Ministry, Vol. 1, Video 1, 37mins into play.
Note: We owe a tremendous debt to these two men, Dr. Bob Trefz and Pastor John Osborne for their labors in exposing the treason within the Adventist Church. We shudder to think where Adventism would have been today if not for their labors! We believe their labors made a difference which made sure Adventism didn't fall to the extent the Worldwide Church of God fell!
From the Jesuit Agenda Video Library put out by the now defunct Prophecy Countdown Ministry, Vol. 1, Video 2, 6mins into play....
Dr. Bob Trefz: This is from Dr. DeSanctus who for many years was a priest at Rome. Professor of Theology, Official Theological Censor of the Inquisition, and who later became a Protestant.
He tells of his interview with the Secretary of the French Father Assistant of the Jesuit Order. Here's what he said.
They're having trouble infiltrating the English Church. Quote:
"The English clergy were formerly too much attached to their Articles of Faith to be shaken from them. [Notice the expression used: "shaken."]
You might have employed in vain all the machines set in motion by Boussuet and the Jansenists of France to reunite them to the Romish Church; and so the Jesuits of England tried another plan.
This was to demonstrate from history and ecclesiastical antiquity the legitimacy of the usages of the English Church, whence, through the exertions of the Jesuits concealed among its clergy, might arise a studious attention to Christian antiquity." -- Our Authorized Bible Vindicated, pg. 122.
[Note: Please do not be ignorant of the fact that Jesuits are massively concealed among the laity of the Adventist Church also!
From this you see that Jesuits infiltrate sovereign bodies and that their major agenda is to separate their victims from their "Articles of faith."]...
From the Jesuit Agenda Video Library put out by the now defunct Prophecy Countdown Ministry, Vol. 1, Video 2, 7mins into play...
Pastor John Osborne: Tell me something Bob, do you believe that there would be any attempt for the Jesuits to infiltrate the independent ministries? Would that be logical to you, Bob?
Dr. Bob Trefz: It would be the most logical thing in the world. It would be the most logical thing, because what they want to do is to silence any voice raised against Rome. In fact the Catholic Campaign for America, which was just launched a few weeks ago, had, as one of its primary objectives, is to silence anyone speaking out against Rome.
4. Wherever this movement went, members were encouraged to neglect any study of the special doctrines they were taught, even and especially concerning prophecy. They were told that these things didn't save them anyway: only Christ does. Therefore even the book of Revelation in the bible that Christ Himself took time to visit John the Revelator on the Isle of Patmos to give a special message to His people to study and proclaim were downplayed. The movement attacked the special doctrines that separated the Adventist Church from all others. Those doctrines were the main issues that prevented Adventists from uniting politically or administratively with all the others and with Rome leading. The more unscrupulous of those pushing this movement boldly did whatever they could to even prevent members from congregating to study what they believed that separated them from the other churches. Hopefully by now we have shown you a biblical warning that says that anyone who discourages the study of the book of Revelation is lost.
5. Because of the concept of diversity and debate forced upon the church, the very concept of repenting of sins has been thwarted. The very definition of sin is constantly held in debate so that the members cannot even congregate in order to get into sessions and ceremonies of repentance. One person is called a Traditionalist which means he may have slightly or even wildly different definitions of sin than does another who is called a liberal, etc. Our literature, long made in a debate pro and con format has been encouraging this for decades. Often in them are letters and articles talking about how certain Adventists among us are "dreaming about their church" and struggling to change the Adventist Church. We believe they do dream about their church: the problem is that their church is ROME!
This "class" and "style" business was very much absent at the beginnings of our movement. We were growing at that time and were settling into the truth doctrinally in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. There are many among us now who must convince us that we're still settling in. On the internet, Jesuits taunted us, telling us that the Adventist Church is now undergoing change, and they told us this proves THAT THEY NEVER HAD THE TRUTH FROM THE BEGINNING! They taunted us with this from the beginning, and made us to know they were happy with all the forced changes taking place. Here they were not only saying that the Seventh-day Adventist Church doesn't have the truth, and didn't have it from the beginning, THEY WERE SAYING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALWAYS HAD TRUTH TO THIS DAY, AND THAT INCLUDES THE VALIDITY OF THE INQUISITIONS just by the fact that she doesn't change! Therefore in our earlier days, the DIVISIVE class system and the issue of "styles" were absent.
Because of this confusion brought upon Adventists, they cannot assemble together in seasons of true confession and repentance as a body because they have different opinions about right and wrong that was forced upon them as the necessary soil for this movement to arrive later on. The Celebration Movement, then encouraging a partying form of praise the same as Pentecostalism, was forced upon us to lock us into our present spiritual condition, feeling ourselves adequate when we are not. It was designed to make us feel self-sufficient, never feeling the need of a biblically higher experience because we already believe we are there and that God will have to accept our concept of readiness.
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/199/0199_03.asp
ECUMENISM... The uniting of the Christian Churches, was ALWAYS resisted by the Protestant world!
Lord Macaulay, says on page 548 of his 1852 Essays On Ranke's History Of The Popes:
"But even with such a great cloud of witnesses, one might be tempted to ask the following question, 'Has not Rome changed recently?' To answer this most vital question, I turn once again to the message of D. Martyn Lloyd Jones:
'Ah, but,' you say, 'has not the Roman Catholic Church changed? You are simply looking back, you are speaking as if you lived in the 16th century - don't you realize you are living in the 20th century?
My answer is quite simple [The same answer that has been given by the Protestants since liberty was first won]. The proudest boast of the Roman Catholic Church is this, that she never changes, Semper eadem. How can she change? If she changes she will be admitting that she was wrong in the past - but she was saying then that she was infallible, and that the Pope is the Vicar of Christ and that he cannot make a mistake. If she says that she is capable of change she is denying her central claim! She does not say that she is changing, and she never will. The Church of Rome remains the same.
If anything, she is even worse. She has 'added' things to what she taught in the 16th century, such as Papal infallibility, etc. No, there is no change in the Church of Rome. And if there ever is one great world Church, it will be because the Church of Rome has absorbed all the rest and swallowed them in ignorance!'
6. It was based upon Catholic principles. People didn't follow it because the bible told them to. They followed it because men told them to. Few know that these were among the major disputes the Protestants had with Rome. If a practice of a doctrinal or moral nature was not found in the bible, it was not to be believed nor accepted. Often when ministers were pushing the Celebration movement, they would stage sermons telling the members to "jump" out into new things, constantly begging them to CHANGE. They were telling them to have courage and to refuse a "spirit of fear." Then they issued the movement upon them, showing that they were big enough to dare to dictate different forms of worship. When contention was at its height, the leaders told all the members that WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE FRUITAGE OF THIS NEW MOVEMENT YET besides the fact that it was pushed unannounced and then relentlessly. They then told the members that we must "WAIT AND SEE." Here they were confessing that they didn't know where this new movement would lead. Just from those words, many Adventists failed to realize the awesome concepts imposed upon them that were debated since the Reformation. If the leaders were saying they didn't know what this movement would bring on a moral or doctrinal nature, they were confessing that they were moving in DARKNESS. This is completely contrary to the Reformation:
John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
They were saying that they didn't know where the movement was taking the Church. They were willing to make tests? Why then did they determine the Church must head that way anyway and that those who didn't want it were intolerant? They said they didn't want to offend people or different groups in the church, but that the "traditionalist" (class of) members were willing to. They then did something the "traditionalist" members never thought of doing: guinea-pigging the faith of millions!
The Protestant concept was like a flashlight shining on the ground in a dark room. No true Christian will want to even go close to the edges of where light meets darkness. Once anyone ventures beyond the circular light, he becomes on his own and puts much at risk. The Protestants therefore reasoned:
Psalm 119:105 ... Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
As it turned out, all who walked out into anything of a doctrinal or moral nature that wasn't already plainly spelled out, either did that because they gave in to their own inclinations, OR BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD THEM TO DO IT: they were following MEN instead of the Word. By members of the Adventist Church accepting the Celebration Movement to even accept the concept of "worship styles" present no where in the bible, according to Protestant principle, it equates with the members actually WORSHIPPING the leaders who brought this new movement in. Just this issue alone is very very serious! They actually fashioned a form of worship for the Adventist people and then forced it upon them TO THIS VERY DAY! Protestants DON'T DO THIS!
The historic Adventist position on this matter is the same that was spelled out during the Reformation:
God has given us His word that we may become acquainted with its teachings and know for ourselves what He requires of us. When the lawyer came to Jesus with the inquiry, "What shall I do to inherit eternal life?" the Saviour referred him to the Scriptures, saying: "what is written in the law? how readest thou?" IGNORANCE WILL NOT EXCUSE YOUNG OR OLD, NOR RELEASE THEM FROM THE PUNISHMENT DUE FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW; BECAUSE THERE IS IN THEIR HANDS A FAITHFUL PRESENTATION OF THAT LAW AND OF ITS PRINCIPLES AND CLAIMS. It is not enough to have good intentions; it is not enough to do what a man thinks is right or what the minister tells him is right. His soul's salvation is at stake, and he should search the Scriptures for himself. However strong may be his convictions, however confident he may be that the minister knows what is truth, THIS IS NOT HIS FOUNDATION. He has a chart pointing out every waymark on the heavenward journey, AND HE OUGHT NOT TO GUESS AT ANYTHING.
It is the first and highest duty of every rational being to learn from the Scriptures what is truth, and then to walk in the light and encourage others to follow his example. We should day by day study the Bible diligently, weighing every thought and comparing scripture with scripture. With divine help we are to form our opinions for ourselves as we are to answer for ourselves before God. -- Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy p. 598.
We must also remember the position of John Knox:
"Ye shall believe God, that plainly speaketh in His word. And farther than the word teaches you, ye neither shall believe the one nor the other. The word of god is plain in itself; and if there appear any obscurity in one place, the Holy Ghost, which is never contrary to Himself, explains the same more clearly in other places, so that there can remain no doubt but unto such as remain obstinately ignorant." -- David Laing, The Collected Works of John Knox, Vol. 2, pp. 281, 284.
"Ye shall believe God, that plainly speaketh in His word. And farther than the word teaches you, ye neither shall believe the one nor the other. " -- David Laing, The Collected Works of John Knox, Vol. 2, pp. 281.
"WORSHIP STYLES?"...
THERE IS NO SUCH ANIMAL!!
"PROGRESSIVE Adventists??" YES, THEY EXIST?? THEY ARE LYING TO YOU!
From the Wikipedia free encyclopedia:...
''Progressive Adventists''' are members of the Seventh-day Adventist Church who disagree with certain beliefs traditionally or commonly held today in the church. They think of themselves as theologically progressive relative to the denomination's mainstream. They are often described as ''liberal Adventism'' by other Adventists, however the term "progressive" is generally preferred as a self-description. This is partly because most are not Liberal Christians (although a small portion actually are). This article describes terms such as ''evangelical Adventism'', ''cultural Adventism'', ''charismatic Adventism'', and ''progressive Adventism'' and others, which are generally related but have distinctions.
Progressives typically question one or more of the church's more peculiar, or "distinctive" beliefs such as the investigative judgment, the remnant, a future global Sunday-law, or an overuse of Ellen G. White's writings. A major factor in its rise was as a result of Adventists mixing more widely with other Christians, which was sparked by the need for government accreditation for its educational institutions. However it is an emerging movement with an emerging definition [This means it was a Johnny-come-lately creation], and its proponents resist drawing up any formal belief statement. Perceptions and definitions of it may differ somewhat depending on the author, although much in common is also clearly discernible.
Many scholars of the church are progressive, and progressive Adventism has strong connections with Seventh-day Adventist education higher education. Numerous magazines and conferences support the movement. A higher proportion of younger generations may be progressive. As the church varies by the demographics of location, culture, ethnicity, age group and other factors, progressive Adventism has a stronger presence in some places (such as the West Coast of the United States than others.
http://spectrummagazine.org/files/archive/archive06-10/9-3butler.pdf
An Interview with Paxton by Jonathan M. Butler. Spectrum Magazine 9:3, p58–60. Geoffrey Paxton is an Anglican minister who had much to do with Adventists
Madelynn Jones-Haldeman wrote in 2001,
"It is only within the last few decades that the Adventist Review has recognized editorially that there exists within the Seventh-day Adventist Church, at least in North America, 'liberals,' 'liberal churches,' 'liberal colleges/universities' and 'liberal conferences.' [That "class" was created by the leaders of the Adventist Church, taking authority and doing things even Ellen White never ventured on doing.] Depending on the author and his/her agenda, Adventist liberals are compared and/or contrasted with 'conservative Adventists,' 'historic Adventists,' 'Bible-believing (or Ellen G. White-believing) Adventists,' 'traditional Adventists,' 'evangelical Adventists,' 'cultural Adventists,' and/or 'ecumenical Adventists.
The younger generation of Adventists is often acknowledged as thinking differently to earlier Adventists.
CLEARING UP THE CONFUSION AND LIES!...
"Progressive Adventists" are not really Adventists at all! If they were Adventists, they would more honestly be called REGRESSIVE Adventists...
EVERY BELIEF EVEN LISTED HERE THAT THEY HAVE WAS ALWAYS POSSESSED BY THE ENEMIES OF ADVENTISM HISTORICALLY--NOT ONE OF THOSE SEEMINGLY UNIQUE BELIEFS OR "DIFFERENCES" ARE NEW BY ANY MEANS.
They are not pushing the Adventist movement forward into anything. They are ecumenical, which means they are Jesuit-trained or Catholic, pushing us backward. Ecumenism is a backward principle much older than my great-great-great grandmother.
They were always enemies of Adventism, but in order to destroy Adventism, they have to be labeled as acceptable "styles" or "classes" of Adventists or Adventism so that they can come close into the communion of their enemies, the true Adventists, and wage war against them and the movement.
Just what do they believe that's unique! The article said that they didn't have faith in Ellen G. White as a prophet of God and that Adventists therefore shouldn't quote her as much. Didn't people already believe that since the Millerite Movement in the 1830s? YES! Any prophet would naturally at first face skepticism until he or she proved his or her office or power. [The "Progressive Adventists" preach against and want Adventists to relinquish quoting Ellen G. White, BECAUSE THEY QUOTE HER WHEN THEY OPPOSE THE TWEAKING, TINKERING AND CHANGING OF THE DENOMINATION DONE BY THESE "PROGRESSIVES."]
After the Millerite Movement, did people distrust the doctrine of the Judgment (Investigative Judgment)? YES! What is new about that?
The "Progressives" distrust Adventist teaching about the upcoming and imminent national Sunday Law in the United States and then globally. Is that a new belief? Whole churches were skeptical of that since that discovery was ever claimed by a single Adventist!
The "Progressives" then distrust the idea that the Papacy is the Antichrist! Is that belief new? IT WAS BELIEVED EVER SINCE THE REFORMATION OF THE 16TH CENTURY!
And yet in all this, not only do the "Progressives" maintain they are pushing us FORWARD and that our beliefs are OUTDATED, THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING NOT MERELY TO TELL US ABOUT THEIR BELIEFS, BUT TO FORCE US TO ACCEPT THEM, which caused the great uproar and tumult especially during the last decade that many Adventists--especially in foreign lands--still have little knowledge of.
They don't keep their old, old beliefs to themselves, but, like the Jesuits, capturing positions of power and authority, move to change the church. They often say they are very close to Christ, and that we must throw off our doctrinal "distinctives" (truths) and just accept the simple pure Gospel of Christ. It was not this love of Christ that makes these people consistently winding up in positions of authority and influence, making havoc with their planned changes in board meetings, conference meetings, etc. It is not praying hard that always makes people with anti-Adventist ideas wind up capturing high positions in the church.
THINK! There's not a belief they support in contrast with true Adventists that even the churches Adventists came out of during the Millerite Movement did not already believe against the faith. What is it they believe that's unique? Anything they believe that's unique to Adventism historically is not unique to the enemies of Adventism.
John Knox is describing the workings of biblical religion here. It was that form of religion that built the system now known as the United States of America: it's Constitutional principles.
Therefore, as the Adventist leaders were confessing that the movement they were pushing at the expense even of order in the church was unknown, and that they couldn't tell us where it was going or would lead, they were confessing that it was neither a biblical nor a Protestant motion. Those who followed biblical religion would even at least, when all else fails, appeal for a precedent. The leaders confessed that there was no precedent for what they were pushing. Often they denied even pushing the movement. Interesting to note is that many ministers preached sermons telling the members that they were to "take risks for the Lord." They were told that they needed to "jump out" into "new" things, while this movement was being pushed. Holy gambling! The Adventist Church is supposed to be the strongest form of Protestantism in the world today.
7. One main point we forgot is that the Spirit of Prophecy tells us that revival will finally come upon the Adventist PEOPLE in the last days. The problem is that the Spirit of Prophecy tells us that before the TRUE revival shall come, a FALSE one will be introduced, actually for the purpose of blocking it.
Before the final visitation of God's judgments upon the earth there will be among the people of the Lord such a revival of primitive godliness as has not been witnessed since apostolic times. . . . The enemy of souls desires to hinder this work, and before the time for such a movement shall come, he will endeavor to prevent it by introducing a counterfeit. In those churches which he can bring under his deceptive power, he will make it appear that God's special blessing is poured out; there will be manifest what is thought to be great religious interest. . . . {LDE 158.2}
There is an emotional excitement, a mingling of the true with the false, that is well adapted to mislead. Yet none need be deceived. In the light of God's Word it is not difficult to determine the nature of these movements. Wherever men neglect the testimony of the Bible, turning away from those plain, soul-testing truths which require self-denial and renunciation of the world, there we may be sure that God's blessing is not bestowed.--The Great Controversy, 464 (1911).
Here now is a description of what a true revival (The Millerite Movement) actually contained within it for comparison with the GLOBAL revival now taking place in advance:
Everywhere the searching testimony was heard, warning sinners, both worldlings and church members, to flee from the wrath to come. [WHAT? FEAR??? NOT LOVE AND JOY??? GOD GIVES US THE SPIRIT OF FEAR AND NOT LOVE?? NO BREAK-DANCING??] Like John the Baptist, the forerunner of Christ, the preachers laid the ax at the root of the tree and urged all to bring forth fruit meet for repentance. Their stirring appeals were in marked contrast to the assurances of peace and safety that were heard from popular pulpits; and wherever the message was given, it moved the people. The simple, direct testimony of the Scriptures, set home by the power of the Holy Spirit, brought a weight of conviction which few were able wholly to resist. Professors of religion were roused from their false security. They saw their backslidings, their worldliness and unbelief, their pride and selfishness. Many sought the Lord with repentance and humiliation. The affections that had so long clung to earthly things they now fixed upon heaven. The Spirit of God rested upon them, and with hearts softened and subdued they joined to sound the cry: "Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come."
Sinners inquired with weeping: "What must I do to be saved?" Those whose lives had been marked with dishonesty were anxious to make restitution. All who found peace in Christ longed to see others share the blessing. The hearts of parents were turned to their children, and the hearts of children to their parents. The barriers of pride and reserve were swept away. Heartfelt confessions were made, and the members of the household labored for the salvation of those who were nearest and dearest. Often was heard the sound of earnest intercession. Everywhere were souls in deep anguish pleading with God. Many wrestled all night in prayer for the assurance that their own sins were pardoned, or for the conversion of their relatives or neighbors.
If it is a terrible sin to be critical of others, how did so many of the best Seventh-day Adventists get defrocked from membership without even being present to defend themselves? Is it possible that people can be excommunicated from church without any bad things being said about them?
All classes flocked to the Adventist meetings. Rich and poor, high and low, were, from various causes, anxious to hear for themselves the doctrine of the second advent. The Lord held the spirit of opposition in check while His servants explained the reasons of their faith. Sometimes the instrument was feeble; but the Spirit of God gave power to His truth. The presence of holy angels was felt in these assemblies, and many were daily added to the believers. As the evidences of Christ's soon coming were repeated, vast crowds listened in breathless silence to the solemn words. Heaven and earth seemed to approach each other. The power of God was felt upon old and young and middle-aged. Men sought their homes with praises upon their lips, and the glad sound rang out upon the still night air. None who attended those meetings can ever forget those scenes of deepest interest. -- The Great Controversy, pgs. 369-370 (1911).
This kind of revival cannot prosper in confusion. For it to be brought back, all the confusion brought in through treason and apostasy must be eliminated! The idea of "styles" and "classes" must be trashed. All the question marks and unknowns imposed upon us by the voices of those pushing us adrift must cease!
How can we repent of our sins? It is rather difficult since we are under the delusion that God has many different Judgment books up in heaven: one blue colored for the "Traditional" Adventists, one yellow for the "Evangelical" Adventists, one pink for the "Liberal" Adventists and more. We have to get to the concept and understanding that there is ONE JUDGMENT BOOK. This is how we let go of the shackles of deception placed upon us so that we can have a chance to be saved from the great surprise about to spring upon the world. We have to confess our unbelief and again accept what Adventism has always taught in its simplicity in its peculiar state.
WHAT GOD THINKS OF THE "CONTEMPORARY PRAISE AND WORSHIP SERVICES!
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
The purpose of these services is to keep the Adventist people in the lukewarm state, and to merge it into the common Christian community. It started with members being crashed into the faith with serious deficiencies from the religions they came from. Leadership intentionally made sure they were crammed in without being corrected. To then seal them in with their deficiencies, they were labeled, "Liberal Adventists." Deficiencies were called different "styles" of acceptable Adventism.
As time goes on, they expect to continue this till all understand that Christians can have different "styles" of Christian experience EVEN IF THEY HAVE IT MOST CELEBRATED ON SUNDAY.
THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL MADE THE GOLDEN CALF AND MOSES IS RETURNING DOWN FROM MOUNT SINAI:
Exodus 32:17 And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp.
18 And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.
HOT
It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery
COLD
neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome
LUKEWARM
but the noise of them that sing do I hear.
The NOISE of them that SING and CELEBRATE!
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