General Conference President--Neal C. Wilson--states under oath in Court:
"Although it is true that there was a period in the life of the Seventh-day Adventist church when the denomination took a distinctly anti-Roman Catholic viewpoint, and the term 'hierarchy' was used in a pejorative sense to refer to the papal form of church governance, that attitude on the church's part was nothing more than a manifestation of widespread anti-popery among conservative protestant denominations in the early part of this century and the latter part of the last, and which has now been consigned to the historical trash heap so far as the Seventh-day Adventist church is concerned."
Reply Brief for the Defendant, p 4, case #C-74-2025 CBR. March 30, 1975.
In 1985, Neal Wilson denied ever making such a statement. He states:
"Our position is not changed. But our work is not to denounce the Roman Catholic church. We speak the truth and let the truth do the cutting. We have not consigned anything to the 'trash heap,' as one publication has charged. We are not watering down or diluting the message. I regret that statements get into print that do not give an accurate picture."
Pacific Union Recorder, Feb 18, 1985.
(See Testimonies, vol 5, p 94-95 regarding perjury, and Testimonies to Ministers, p 304).
(1)Source: http://www.lightministries.com/sda/id1217.htm
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"there is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church."
(Neal C. Wilson, General Conference President of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, in Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p 3).
(2)Source: http://www.sdaapostasy.org/sdaeyes.htm
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Catholic means universal not necessarily the Roman Catholic Church. That's why in these quotes it seems to me Wilson clarifies when he is talking about the Roman Catholic Church or a universal (or catholic) church. He is correct in saying the Adventist Church and the Roman Catholics are the only catholic (or universal) churches. The source SDA Apostasy is taking this quote out of context.
ReplyDeleteTotally agreed. Sounds as though has some distracting alteria motive. This type of behavior is very chacteristic of the shepherd's rods.
DeleteMy beloved anonymous:
ReplyDeleteNeed we resort to semantics, or perhaps etymology to analyze what Neal C. Wilson actually said?
Can we not just accept the words that were uttered as they were delivered?
Are we to be deceived by one speaking in perfectly clear English vernacular?
In this day and age when everything is excused and tolerated,except righteousness will we also twist the words that were deliberately spoken by someone more than a score of years ago?
How can we expect to remain faithful to our Lord when those that clearly speak tell us what's on their mind, and we refuse to accept it?
Where is the warning from a "Thus saith the Lord"?
Let's see what the Holy Sriptures say:
20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isaiah 5:20,21.
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1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Timothy 4:1,2.
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3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.
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19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:19,20.
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Arsenio,
Maranatha.
P.S. I may have to disallow anonymous viewers of EndTimes from commenting on this space, so that they will show their identities. If there's one thing that I find reprehensible is a person that will claim to know the truth, will forecefully insist so, yet not let you know who they are. What an phenomenon? Anonymous truthers....What an oxymoron?
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Anonymous seemed easier as I was pressed for time. I've nothing to conceal.
ReplyDeleteAccepting words as they were uttered, as you say, is good if we have the full context in which they were uttered. I think it necessary to analyze the complete statement precisely so I won't be deceived (I am referring here to the last quote).
In answer to your above questions:
Need we resort to semantics, or perhaps etymology to analyze what Neal C. Wilson actually said? What I said was not semantics. Just because the Roman Catholic Church has taken the word catholic and inserted it into its name does not make it solely theirs. Just as they have taken other truths and corrupted them, they've done the same to this word.
Can we not just accept the words that were uttered as they were delivered? No, we cannot. We need to prayerfully analyze them against the word of God.
Are we to be deceived by one speaking in perfectly clear English vernacular? I would ask you the same. The statements seem clear to me. In the first two quotes the point seems to me that we let the truth of the word of God do the pointing out of the man of sin.
In this day and age when everything is excused and tolerated,except righteousness will we also twist the words that were deliberately spoken by someone more than a score of years ago? This question should be posed to the source sdaapostasy.org. I've not tried to twist anything.
How can we expect to remain faithful to our Lord when those that clearly speak tell us what's on their mind, and we refuse to accept it? I will remain faithful through prayer and bible study, not through disagreements on the statements of church leaders.
By the way, I like the website and thanks for the information you keep posting.
More (what is, is) rationale:
ReplyDeleteChristian Scientists are Christians.
Jehovah's Witnesses are a living testimony of the Almighty God.
The Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ are our Savior's representative on Earth today.
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. Luke 21:8.
Arsenio,
Maranatha.
P.S. With the Lord's providence, EndrTimes will continue to provide pertinent information for those preparing for the soon return of Jesus Christ. Welcome, Friends!
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ReplyDeletePAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE QUOTE BY NEAL C. WILSON:
ReplyDelete"...There is another universal AND truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church" Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, page 3.
HE addresses the UNIVERSAL part of "CATHOLIC", but continues to expand this to SAY "AND" "TRULY CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION".....
THE "REASON" NEAL C. WILSON COULD HONESTLY DECLARE THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH WAS NO LONGER A PROTESTANT DENOMINATION - (NO 501c3 organization can claim it is Protestant) IS BECAUSE OF THE "OFFICIAL" ADOPTION OF THE TRINITY DOCTRINE INTO IT'S FUNDAMENTAL BELIEFS AT THE 1980 GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION IN DALLAS TEXAS. Learn more about the 1980 General Conference Session here: https://sites.google.com/site/howtoperformmiracles/1980
Learn more about Neal C. Wilson here: https://sites.google.com/site/howtoperformmiracles/neal-c-wilson-1920-2010
and learn more about his son Ted N. C. Wilson here:
https://sites.google.com/site/howtoperformmiracles/ted-n-c-wilson-1950
Learn more about the PROTESTANT SDA PIONEERS HERE: https://sites.google.com/site/howtoperformmiracles/sabbath/pioneers
Let us not judge others least we be judged --- this is my theory. To err is human. Christ never did make a mistake but his disciples and followers do make as Peter did. And it is said that the Roman Catholic Church was established by him and so is the name St Peters Basilica.
ReplyDeletesamuelbaroi,
ReplyDelete19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:19-22
I will make my response as short and direct as I can, and will let the Holy Scriptures speak for themselves:
When you mention human error, I can only think of the Lord's mention of that term...
Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Matthew 22:29
As far as the Roman Catholic Religion having been established by Jesuschrist:
13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 16:13-19.
The Lord Jesus referred to himself 'The Rock of Ages' as to upon what His Church would be founded, not Peter; Or anything having to do with Rome or its idol worshiping traditions...
They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Isaiah 42:17
And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
Isaiah 44:17
As far a NOT JUDGING OTHERS:
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13