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Friday, November 01, 2024

Shake up at Amazing Discoveries


Shake up at Amazing Discoveries


November 1, 2024 NewsHound


Back in 2019, the founders of Amazing Discoveries (AD) split apart from the ministry to form a new ministry, Quo Vadis.

It seems that there were differences between the founders and their daughter, Wendy. It is now becoming apparent that some of those differences are theological. Matthew Schanche, formerly affiliated with Amazing Discoveries made this statement two days ago:

“Blessings, brothers and sisters. After years of working together, my journey of spreading the message with Amazing Discoveries has come to an end. It has become evident that my beliefs and convictions no longer align with AD’s current direction and teachings. I’ve received numerous questions about my absence, and in this video, I respectfully share where I stand on key issues, why I can no longer be associated with certain views promoted by AD, and discuss what comes next.”

In this video, Matthew Schanche outlines what some of those theological differences are,



Observations

We are told that numerous people left AD over the last couple years, due to their support of the ‘2520’ theory.

Steve Wohlberg wrote an excellent article in 2020 about the dangers of the 2520 theory. We recommend avoiding the 2520 theory. It has unnecessarily divided churches, marriages and families. Back in August, at least 5 people left AD because of the 2520 nonsense. Over the last three years, around 30 have left for the same reason. Proponents of it generally believe it is a salvational issue to accept it.

According to the above video, AD teaches that Islam will play a key role in the end time events, a view that Walter Veith shared in the past, although he saw the papacy as the malevolent puppet master behind the scenes.

Apparently, Amazing Discoveries’ new view of Islam is that it is the king of the north and is responsible for the seven last plagues. This has led Matthew to separate himself from AD.

We don’t take a hard line stance on the King of the North and the King of the south. We do believe that God will make the identity of these entities plain, in His good time.

It is also noteworthy that Walter Veith recently separated himself from Amazing Discoveries. There appears to be a trend, here.

Stay sharp, love God, and walk in Truth.

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Saturday, October 27, 2018

Saturday, April 13, 2013

2520 Deception - M. Bauler



2520 Deception- 1/2- speaker M. Bauler


Michael Nicholas


Uploaded on Feb 19, 2012


Very significantly, the 2520 year prophecy was rarely discussed after 1844 by anyone in the Ad¬vent movement, except by Edson for several years.
It is doubly significant that the 2520 prophecy is not included in James White's 1850 prophetic
chart. That fact provides us with solid evidence that the "errors" in the 1843 Chart must have included the number "2520" on that chart! It is also significant that the Millerites in 1843 thought so little of the 2520 prophecy—that they only placed the four-digit number in the chart, with¬out any words to explain it. Even more significant, it was totally dropped after the new denomina¬tion came into existence after 1844.
It is believed, by some, that it was the 2520 year theory, and some of the other strange ideas which entered the Millerite movement, which kept Mil¬ler from accepting the midnight cry until just before it ended. The midnight cry was based on a pure Biblical message which combined Daniel 8:14, Leviticus 16, and Hebrews 8. It is never good for the human mind to become fascinated with error.
It is of the highest significance that Great Con¬troversy, 324-329, focuses exclusively on the 2300 year prophecy and the 70 week prophecy, which was part of it. Read Great Controversy, chapter 18, thoughtfully. Not one word about a 2520 prophecy is mentioned or even hinted at. Also notice that Leviticus 26 is not mentioned in those pages as the source of any time prophecy. The facts are clear.
Then read chapter 20 of Great Controversy, which tells about many leading people who preached the true message. Harriet is not included.

William Miller was a good man. We value his dedication and contributions to the Advent Move-ment. But we must keep in mind that Miller never accepted the Third Angel's Message. He had the wrong view of Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13; 11:19; 12:17; and 22:14. He rejected a correct understand¬ing of Daniel 7:9-10, 13 and the Investigative Judg¬ment. He did not understand the true meaning of Daniel 8:14. He did not have the light on the state of the dead and punishment of the wicked. He rejected the Fourth Commandment, the heavenly Sanctu¬ary, and the Spirit of Prophecy.
Although he was a good man and will be in heaven (SG 168), he was not a Seventh-day Adventist. We are not to base our doctrinal beliefs on his theo¬ries, when they do not agree with Bible/Spirit of Prophecy teachings.

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2520 Deception- 2/2- speaker M. Bauler


Michael Nicholas 


Uploaded on Feb 25, 2012


Again and again I have been warned in regard to time setting.
There will never again be a message that will be based on time. We are
not to know the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or
for the coming of Christ." (1SM 188)
Time will never be a test again. I saw that some were getting a false excitement, arising4
from preaching time." (1SM 188)
We are not to live upon time excitement. We are not to be engrossed with speculations
in regard to the times and the seasons which God has not revealed . . . . No
one will be able to predict just when that time [second coming] will come .
. . . You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five
years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be
for ten or twenty years." (1SM 189)
E. 1892:
"I have no specific time of which to speak when the outpouring of the Holy Spirit
will take place . . . . My message is that our only safety is in being ready for the
heavenly refreshing . . . . O, how much time has been wasted through giving
attention to trifling things." (1SM 192, from RH, March 29, 1892)
F. 1893:
False teachers may appear to be very zealous for the work of God, and may expend means to bring their
theories before the world and the church; but as they mingle error with truth, their
message is one of deception, and will lead souls into false paths. They are to be
met and opposed, not because they are bad men, but because they are teachers of
falsehood and are endeavoring to put upon falsehood the stamp of truth.
(TM 54, 55 from RH, Sept. 12, 1893)
G. 1894:
But there is no command for anyone to search the Scripture in order to
ascertain, if possible, when probation will close. God has no such message for
any mortal lips. He would have no mortal tongue declare that which He has
hidden in His secret councils." (1SM 191-92)
. . . .6
"There must be no long discussions presenting new theories in regard to
prophecies which God has already made plain . . . ."
(Manuscript 32a, 1896 [Manuscript Release #1308])
"The people now have a special message to give to the world, the third
angel's message. . . . ."
(2SM 102)

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What is the source of the current resurfacing of the 2520 and in what form is it being offered to the church?


From an article: (An Evaluation of The 2520, by Ty Gibson)


The movement that is advancing the 2520 holds this teaching within a larger package of ideas, which includes the following:
1. that the 9/11/2001 terrorist attack is a fulfillment of the “third woe” brought to view in the seventh trumpet (Rev 11:14);

2. that the judgment of the living began on 9/11/2001, beginning with the SDA Church, for whom probation will close before it closes for the world;

3. that the latter rain began to fall from 9/11/2001 onward;

4. that the discovery of the 2520 is a vital part of the “new light” brought to us by the latter rain;
5. and that the 2520 is, therefore, the “testing message” for SDAs. Those who accept the 2520 are thereby receiving the latter rain and successfully passing the inspection process of the judgment of the living, and those who reject the 2520 are rejecting the latter rain and thus failing to bear up under the judgment of the living. Probation is closing for SDAs individually and finally for the corporate body by our acceptance or rejection of the 2520 and the attending package of ideas listed above.

These are huge and grave claims. If true, then the church is currently undergoing the judgment of the living and closing its probation by failing to receive the “new light” offered by the 2520 movement. Thus we can expect to see those who offer this message to the SDA church feel justified in separating from the church because of its rejection of the “latter rain message.” If false, then the 2520 movement is a misguided deception calculated to divert our attention from the real latter rain message.


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Friday, April 12, 2013

2520 - Never Once Mentioned- Bill Hughes




Michael Nicholas

Published on Jul 8, 2012


1. "We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds."—Ev, 616
2. "The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God . ."The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search our the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. "For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.' "— (Man.20, 1906).
3. "The Holy Spirit [is] the Third Person of the Godhead."—TM392.
4. The Father and the Son work through the Holy Spirit, to help people and to accomplish Their objectives throughout the universe. "The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the Third Person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit."— (Ev 617).
5. "The work is laid out before every soul that has acknowledged his faith in Jesus Christ by baptism, and has become a receiver of the pledge from the three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."— 6 BC, 1074
6. "The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the Third Person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit."— (Ev 617).
7. "The Lord Jesus acts through the Holy Spirit; for it is His representative."—MYP, 55.
8. The Power of God in the Third Person.--The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.-- {Ev 617.2}
9. He (Christ) determined to give His representative, the third person of the Godhead. {ML 36.3}
10. "Evil had been accumulating for centuries, and could only be restrained and resisted by the mighty power of the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power."—TM 392
11. "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ."— (Ev 615).
12. "Evil had been accumulating for centuries, and could only be restrained and resisted by the mighty power of the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. Another spirit must be met: for the essence of evil was working in all ways, and the submission of man to this satanic captivity was amazing."—TM, 392.
13. "When God's people search the Scriptures with a desire to know what is truth, Jesus is present in the person of His representative, the Holy Spirit, reviving the hearts of the humble and contrite ones."—12 MR 145
14. "We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,—and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God."— (Ev 617).
15. The eternal Godhead—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost—is involved in the action required to make assurance to the human agent."—UL, 148.
16. "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, powers infinite and omniscient, receive those who truly enter into covenant relation with God. They are present at every baptism, to receive the candidates who have renounced the world and have received Christ into the soul temple.—6 BC, 1075
17. "When we have accepted Christ, and in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit have pledged ourselves to serve God, the Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit—the three dignitaries and powers of heaven—pledge Themselves that every facility shall be given to us if we carry out our baptismal vows to 'come out from among them, and be . . separate . . and touch not the unclean thing.' "—6 BC 1075
18. "Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit . . Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus?—7 BC, 908
19. "Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones."—
20. "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost supply the power that makes him victorious in every conflict with the prince of darkness."—6 MR, 167
21. "The three highest powers in the universe are pledged to labor with those who will seek to save the lost."—Review, Aug 12, 1909.

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Steve Wohlberg and the 2520 prophecy


Steve Wohlberg comments on the 2520 Prophecy


The 2520
By Steve Wohlberg

[Oct. 2011] The “2520” is being discussed in my home church. After reading arguments on both sides of the controversy, here are my (present) views. Note: This paper was not written for the general public, but only for those already familiar with the topic.

First, those who support the 2520 conclude:

1. It is a divine prophecy embedded in Leviticus 26

2. Leviticus 26:18 says that if Israel disobeyed God, He would punish her “seven times” for her sins. Those “seven times” should be interpreted as “seven years,” or 2520 days (based on a 360-day Hebrew calendar year), and then, based on the day-for-a-year principle, viewed as 2520 prophetic years.

3. The 2520 began in 677 BC (William Miller’s view, when King Manasseh of Judah was taken to Babylon), and ended in 1844.

4. The 2520 “prophecy” is a “second witness” to the 2300-year prophecy because both end in 1844. This “second witness” is necessary to maintain the integrity of the 2300-year prophecy because “out of the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established” (2 Cor. 13:1).

5. Adventists have lost sight of the 2520 and should start teaching it again.

Some of the main arguments used to support the above conclusions are:

1. Ellen White wrote that God led William Miller in his studies in the early 1800s.

2. William Miller believed in the 2520 prophecy based on his study of Leviticus 26.

3. Ellen White wrote that God led in the publication of the 1843 and 1850 Millerite charts, and both charts contained the 2520 prophecy (based on Miller’s views).

4. Ellen White also stated that those charts fulfilled Habakkuk 2:1-4.

After reading arguments on both sides of this controversy, here is my (present) position:

1. I have read Leviticus 26 many times in the last month or so and my honest evaluation is that the chapter itself does not easily support the teaching that “seven times” represent “seven years,” or 2520 days, or 2520 years. Four times (verses 18,21,24,28) God says that He will punish Israel “seven times” for her sins if she disobeys Him. The wording implies that these will be four separate, sequential “seven times,” each falling with increasing severity if the preceding punishment fails to produce repentance. Additionally, the original Hebrew word translated “seven times” (sheba) is an adverb (indicating intensity), not a noun (indicating duration). Thus the proper translation of the word “sheba” in Leviticus 26 should be “sevenfold,” not “seven times” representing “seven years.”

2. Numbers 14:34 is the first time the day-for-a-year principle is mentioned in the Bible. But in Leviticus 26, it isn’t mentioned, or even hinted at.

3. The book of Judges reveals that many of the curses listed in Leviticus 26 had already started falling on Israel long before 677 BC.

4. The 70-week/2300-day prophecy begins with a clear and easily recognizable “command to restore and to build Jerusalem” (Dan. 9:25). Leviticus 26 contains no such clear starting point for a supposed 2520 prophecy.

5. Leviticus 26 is also filled with conditional “if…then” statements (see verses 3,4,23,24,27,28,40,42). “If” Israel obeys, blessings come. “If” not, curses will follow. Thus free will is involved. This strongly suggests that God’s “I will punish you seven times” warning cannot be a day-for-a-year prophetic timeline with clear starting and ending dates. By contrast, the 70-week/2300-day timeline is unconditional, with easily identifiable starting and ending points.

6. In Babylon, Daniel realized that Israel’s prophesied 70-year captivity was soon to end (Dan. 9:2). His prayer (verses 3-19) recognized that the curses recorded “in the law of Moses” (verse 13) had overtaken Israel, yet he hoped they would end soon and that Israel would be restored (verse 17). Such hope would be impossible if Daniel thought the Lev. 26 curses would continue for 2520 years! During the rule of Persia, the curses were reversed, Israel returned home, and once again God placed His “tabernacle” (see Lev. 26:11) among them. Now blessings had come.

7. When the next prophecy “chart” was published in 1863 (the year the SDA church was organized), the 2520 was left out. From 1863 until today the Adventist Church has never officially recognized the 2520 as a real prophecy at all.

8. One reason for this is because James White rejected the 2520. In a January 26, 1864 Review article he stated that the “2520” theory was unbiblical. Uriah Smith, in the Appendix of his book, Daniel and the Revelation, pps 784-785, agreed with James. Both believed the adverb “sheba” meant intensity, not duration, that the 2520-prophecy lacked biblical support, and that Adventists shouldn’t preach it.

9. In The Great Controversy, chapters 18-24, Ellen White wrote in great detail about the life of William Miller, about how he discovered the 2300-day prophecy, and about the history of the Advent Movement, and yet she never mentions the 2520 even once. If such a prophecy did exist and was significant, then why didn’t she mention it in her most important work when discussing the Millerites? Not only that, but during her entire 70-year ministry she never mentioned it anywhere.

10. I have seen no convincing proof that the 2300-year prophetic timeline must have a “second witness” to validate it, or that this witness must be the 2520. The original “out of the mouth of two or three witnesses” statement applied to civil court cases (see Duet. 17:9), not prophetic timelines. Other biblical applications don’t apply it to prophetic timelines either (see John 8:17; Matt. 18:16; 2 Cor. 13:1). But even if the 2300-year prophecy should require a “second witness” to its validity, it seems to me that Revelation 10 and 14, plus the existence of Adventist Church itself (which grew out of 2300-day prophecy), would more than suffice. Then there are the 1260, 1290 and 1335 time periods (Daniel 12:7,11,12), which, when linked together, also point to 1844, providing even more support. The fact is that from 1863 until today, Adventist evangelists haven’t needed the 2520 to validate either the 2300-year prophecy, or the Adventist movement in general.

2520 proponents may still argue: “But Ellen White said that angels guided William Miller. Miller believed the 2520. The 2520 prophecy is on the first two charts. Ellen White endorsed both charts, plus she said the Millerite charts fulfilled the prophecy of Habakkuk 2:1-4. Therefore the 2520 must be an important prophecy from God!”

This chain of arguments sounds good, but the biggest problem I see is that its final conclusion(that the 2520 prophecy must come from God) lacks even one clear “Thus saith the Lord” to support it. Such reasoning also neglects the core issue that Lev. 26: 18,21,24,28 doesn’t really support the 2520 in the first place. “There is no prophetic period in Lev. xxvi,” wrote James White in the Review, and trying to “imagine that such a thing exists” is “beating the air.” Uriah Smith agreed. Yes, Ellen White wrote that angels guided William Miller, and that God’s hand was on the Millerite charts, but she also wrote that angels of God guided James White and had “oversight” of the Review.

I saw that the papers [R & H] would go and that it would be the means of bringing souls to a knowledge of the truth. I saw that James had not borne the burden alone, but that the angels of God had assisted and had oversight of the paper. 8 MR, 221

Additionally, concerning the Millerite charts being a fulfillment of Habakkuk 2:1-4, notice carefully what Ellen White actually wrote in The Great Controversy:

As early as 1842 the direction given in this prophecy to "write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it," had suggested to Charles Fitch the preparation of a prophetic chart to illustrate the visions of Daniel and the Revelation. The publication of this chart was regarded as a fulfillment of the command given by Habakkuk. GC, 392

Look carefully. Habakkuk 2:2 says, “write the vision, and make it plain upon tables,” and Ellen White clarified that the main purpose of the “prophetic chart” was “to illustrate the visions of Daniel and the Revelation.” The 2300-day prophecy is part of a “vision” given by God (see Dan. 8:1,2,17) which qualifies it to be a fulfillment of Hab. 2:1-4. But there is no “vision” in Leviticus 26. All of this suggests that Ellen White’s support of William Miller, the early charts, and even the “figures” on the charts, primarily concerned the 2300-day “vision,” not the 2520. And in her explanation in The Great Controversy of these details, this is what she focused on without mentioning the 2520 even once.

The Adventist Church’s biblical mission is to proclaim Heaven’s “sure word of prophecy” (2 Pet. 1:19) and the Three Angel’s Messages to the world (Rev. 14:6-12). To do this effectively, our facts must be solid. Yes, God led the Millerites, but then in 1844 He also began giving direct guidance to Ellen White whose counsel always pointed back to the Bible; and in her 70 years of public ministry, she never specifically mentioned the 2520 even once. It’s obvious that Adventism as a whole no longer believes the 2520, and it seems to me that there are two possible reasons for this: 1) the 2520 was lost sight of due to an Adventist failure, or 2) advancing light and careful Bible study led Adventist leaders to realize that the 2520 was a really an unbiblical, unnecessary, and unfortunate distraction away from our core biblical message. Presently, I favor the latter, and hate to see people divided over this issue. One thing’s for sure: “Preach the Word” (2 Tim. 4:2) is our mandate.

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