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Pope: US Catholic Conservatives Have 'Suicidal Attitude'

Sunday, 19 May 2024 12:44 PM EDT


Pope Francis said his conservative critics within the Roman Catholic Church in the United States are trapped in a "suicidal attitude," according to an interview with CBS.

During the April 24 interview with "60 Minutes" that aired Sunday, Francis was asked his thoughts on the conservative backlash against his papacy, with many of his critics being American clergy members.

Francis responded by saying a conservative is someone who "clings to something and does not want to see beyond that."

"It is a suicidal attitude," the pontiff said.

"Because one thing is to take tradition into account, to consider situations from the past, but quite another is to be closed up inside a dogmatic box."

Francis has clashed with the conservative wing almost since he was elected as head of the church in 2013.

Moves conservatives have opposed include papal attempts to make the church more welcoming to the LGBT community and to give lay people more responsibility in the church.

When asked during the interview about his decision to allow priests to bless same-sex couples, the pope replied that the church cannot actually bless the union, as it is against church teaching, but they can bless the individual.

"The blessing is for everyone — for everyone. To bless a homosexual-type union, however, goes against the given rite, against the law of the church. But to bless each person, why not? The blessing is for all. Some people were scandalized by this, but why? Everyone, everyone."

Francis replied when asked about his being more open and accepting than his predecessors that "you have to be open to everything. The church is like that. Everyone, everyone, everyone. That so-and-so is a sinner. Me, too. I am a sinner. Everyone.

"The gospel is for everyone. If the church places a customs officer at the door, that is no longer the church of Christ. Everyone."

Francis last year dismissed a conservative U.S. bishop who was a withering critic of his papacy and said the conservative wing in the U.S. church was "reactionary." He also stripped a conservative American cardinal of some Vatican privileges.

When asked about the state of Texas potentially shutting down a Catholic charity on the U.S.-Mexico border that gives humanitarian aid to migrants, Francis replied that it is "sheer madness."

"To close the border and leave them there, that is madness. The migrant has to be received. Thereafter you see how you're going to deal with them. Maybe you have to send them back. I don't know. But each case ought to be considered humanely, right?"

Regarding surrogacy, Pope Francis said that "in each case, the situation should be carefully and clearly considered, consulting medically and then morally as well. I think there is a general rule in these cases, but you have to go into each case in particular to assess the situation — as long as the moral principle is not skirted."

Newsmax staffer Jeremy Frankel contributed to this report.


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60 Minutes broadcasts excerpts from new documentary about Pope Francis

60 Minutes broadcasts excerpts from new documentary about Pope Francis

"Pope Francis—A Man of His Word" shows the pontiff in a revealing interview, speaking without notes. 60 Minutes meets the man who made the film, Sunday at 8 p.m. ET/PT

2018 May 11


Meet the Pope. This Sunday, 60 Minutes broadcasts excerpts from an unprecedented documentary on Francis that will show the pontiff in a way few ever get to see him. The documentary, "Pope Francis—A Man of His Word," offers a rare and intimate experience in which the pontiff speaks directly to the camera without notes in his native Spanish. Jon Wertheim interviews the film's director, Wim Wenders, for the story, to be broadcast Sunday, May 13 at 8:00 p.m. ET/PT on CBS.

Wenders speaks about filming the documentary and interviewing the pope. He tells Wertheim Francis impresses him most with his courage. "He is the most fearless man I ever met… not influenced by polls… I don't think he would ever consider any public opinion over something he means and he's convinced of," says Wenders. "He's totally fearless because he has a lot of opposition."

Part of that opposition comes from the controversy surrounding priestly sexual abuse of children and the way the church has handled it. Francis recently apologized for comments he made on a case in Chile. Wenders says his question about pedophilia will show the world the pope is a man who can get angry. "We saw this anger once, really very strong," he recalls. "It was almost physical."

Looking into the camera, his anger etched on his face, Francis utters in Spanish, "Towards pedophilia, zero tolerance! And the Church must punish such priests who have that problem and bishops must remove… anyone with that disease… that includes to support the legal action by the parents before the civil courts," Francis says in the film. "There is no other way... Zero tolerance because it's a crime. No! Worse! It's leaving them alive but destroyed."

Other excerpts from the film include the pope telling his priests to get more involved with their followers and exhorting the faithful to slow their frenetic lives down to avoid the toll such stress takes on their mental, spiritual and physical health.

The pope speaks plainly and directly, sometimes employing humor with a smile and a laugh. "If you ask me: 'Give me an example of beauty, simple everyday beauty, with which we can help others feel better and be happier,' two things come to my mind. A smile, and a sense of humor."


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